APR chip destroyed my Audi - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 01:51 PM

have a 2005 B7 Audi A4 as my second car. Its due to go back in 2 months. Its already paid off. 2 years ago. July 2005 to be exact, I was at waterfest in New Jersey, and APR tuning was there doing the ECU upgrades to Audi models. I paid $500 to get this upgrade. It made my car a whole lot quicker. NO problems until now. I never drove the Audi like a maniac. I drove it aggressively of course but not in a manner that would cause the problems Im about to mention. 2 months ago, the transmission blew. Got it repaired under warranty. Audi knew about the ECU upgrade but let it slide and fixed it under warranty. 3 weeks after I get the car back, it breaks down on the highway and smoke poured out of the hood and exhaust so muich, I couldnt see. Just got a call from Audi today saying that they cant warranty it, and they want to charge me $5000. I want to sue APR. Anyone have any similar experiences? What should I do? I know this should be [posted on the Audi forums but it applies to cars in general so I figure Id share it with you guys

Scottz71 · 10-16-2007, 02:16 PM

you modded your car...i just about think you're screwed...sadly, you willingly bought their product...whatever warranty that applies to the product they'll honor, but they're not responsible for your powertrain...

Revlis · 10-16-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 335rocket

have a 2005 B7 Audi A4 as my second car. Its due to go back in 2 months. Its already paid off. 2 years ago. July 2005 to be exact, I was at waterfest in New Jersey, and APR tuning was there doing the ECU upgrades to Audi models. I paid $500 to get this upgrade. It made my car a whole lot quicker. NO problems until now. I never drove the Audi like a maniac. I drove it aggressively of course but not in a manner that would cause the problems Im about to mention. 2 months ago, the transmission blew. Got it repaired under warranty. Audi knew about the ECU upgrade but let it slide and fixed it under warranty. 3 weeks after I get the car back, it breaks down on the highway and smoke poured out of the hood and exhaust so muich, I couldnt see. Just got a call from Audi today saying that they cant warranty it, and they want to charge me $5000. I want to sue APR. Anyone have any similar experiences? What should I do? I know this should be [posted on the Audi forums but it applies to cars in general so I figure Id share it with you guys

I'm just waiting for the legions of Proceed users to be in this exact same spot...

Nothing is free, least of all HP...

Sucks man, but there isn't anything to Sue anyone for. The ECU "Upgrade" caused the premature death of your vehicle most likely. But it's done as a "No Warranties" thing JUST LIKE Proceed...

So, that's most likely your ass...

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 02:44 PM

true. but Im going through with a lawsuit anyway unless Audi can agree to a settlement price with me

DougLikesBMW · 10-16-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Revlis

I'm just waiting for the legions of Proceed users to be in this exact same spot...

Nothing is free, least of all HP...

Sucks man, but there isn't anything to Sue anyone for. The ECU "Upgrade" caused the premature death of your vehicle most likely. But it's done as a "No Warranties" thing JUST LIKE Proceed...

So, that's most likely your ass...

Why would Proceed hurt the car? Sorry, I just don't understand...

Crimson92 · 10-16-2007, 02:45 PM

gotta pay to play and this is the price.

Crimson92 · 10-16-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

Why would Proceed hurt the car? Sorry, I just don't understand...

proceed claims to raise boost levels and adjust timing/fuel accordingy. While this may sound great you are still raising the manufacturer specified operating levels. Therefore you are increasing risk of damage just like any other aftermarket chip or tune.

Its playing with fate, and you will more than likely lose

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 02:48 PM

exactly. I learned the hardway. I will NEVER chip another car. NOt worth it. Ill just buy them fast

Bimmer335i07 · 10-16-2007, 02:49 PM

+1

I don't think you can sue anybody. The product is not from Audi. And the guys that sold it to you will only warranty the product and are not liable if anything happens to your car.

Like the previous poster said, you have to pay if you want to play.

GL with everything, though.

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 02:51 PM

thats bullshit. They should be liable. Im still going through with it unless Audi can settle on a MUCH lower price to fix everything. Thanks though

Crimson92 · 10-16-2007, 02:58 PM

what broke exactly? Im guess head gasket or ring failure

JeremyDS · 10-16-2007, 02:58 PM

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WARRANTY: All items on this site (www.goapr.com) are warranted to be free from defects in the materials and workmanship prior to installation. This warranty does not cover labor, misuse, faulty installation, failure of related parts or parts purchased other than from APR, LLC. Please call for specific warranty information on each product. Each manufacturer may supply different timeframes for their products.

from http://http://www.goapr.com/Audi/support/terms.html.

Trying to sue APR (or any other company that sells mods) is ultimately a waste of time and money. No one any where in the legal system is going to feel pity for your plight.

TheLegacy · 10-16-2007, 03:17 PM

You're across the river from me. Sorry to hear about that but it will be tough and maybe not worth the $

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 03:22 PM

turbo, tranny, pistons, clutch. thats what broke

Zirenz2006 · 10-16-2007, 03:23 PM

That sucks man. Sorry to hear that.

This is why I will stay away from Procede. The 335i is fast enough for me as a daily driver.

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 03:24 PM

so whats that mean, they can f**k up someone car and not be liable??? unbeleivable

Crimson92 · 10-16-2007, 03:27 PM

rocket they didnt fuck up your car, you did. You knew the risk when installing it program and this is the result.

Plus 5k parts and labor for all that went wrong is a great deal being as that turbos alone cost at least 3k

kaji335i · 10-16-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 335rocket

thats bullshit. They should be liable. Im still going through with it unless Audi can settle on a MUCH lower price to fix everything. Thanks though

You have to pay to play

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 03:32 PM

Ill get them down from $5k. I did know the risks. I was skeptical before I had it done. Was a mistake, a very expensive mistake.

ihsanshaik · 10-16-2007, 03:34 PM

if i was you i would sell it asap once it gets fixed. get a 335i

335rocket · 10-16-2007, 03:35 PM

I have a 335. didnt you see my username and pic?? lol

ihsanshaik · 10-16-2007, 03:37 PM

Damn your setup is sick. Black on red with navi and 6 speed. What trim? i want that but in a 135i.

10-16-2007, 01:51 PM	#1
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	APR chip destroyed my Audi have a 2005 B7 Audi A4 as my second car. Its due to go back in 2 months. Its already paid off. 2 years ago. July 2005 to be exact, I was at waterfest in New Jersey, and APR tuning was there doing the ECU upgrades to Audi models. I paid $500 to get this upgrade. It made my car a whole lot quicker. NO problems until now. I never drove the Audi like a maniac. I drove it aggressively of course but not in a manner that would cause the problems Im about to mention. 2 months ago, the transmission blew. Got it repaired under warranty. Audi knew about the ECU upgrade but let it slide and fixed it under warranty. 3 weeks after I get the car back, it breaks down on the highway and smoke poured out of the hood and exhaust so muich, I couldnt see. Just got a call from Audi today saying that they cant warranty it, and they want to charge me $5000. I want to sue APR. Anyone have any similar experiences? What should I do? I know this should be [posted on the Audi forums but it applies to cars in general so I figure Id share it with you guys __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control
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10-16-2007, 02:16 PM	#2
Scottz71 Colonel Drives: e92 335i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NoVA Posts: 2,570 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i (e92) [1.00]	you modded your car...i just about think you're screwed...sadly, you willingly bought their product...whatever warranty that applies to the product they'll honor, but they're not responsible for your powertrain... __________________

10-16-2007, 02:44 PM	#4
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	true. but Im going through with a lawsuit anyway unless Audi can agree to a settlement price with me __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control

10-16-2007, 02:48 PM	#8
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	exactly. I learned the hardway. I will NEVER chip another car. NOt worth it. Ill just buy them fast __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control

10-16-2007, 02:49 PM	#9
Bimmer335i07 BK Employee of the month! / Moderator Drives: BMW 335i Sedan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ... Posts: 15,780 iTrader: (9) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	+1 I don't think you can sue anybody. The product is not from Audi. And the guys that sold it to you will only warranty the product and are not liable if anything happens to your car. Like the previous poster said, you have to pay if you want to play. GL with everything, though. __________________ Sponsored by: Pics of the ---> Barbera Beast <--- Martino Auto Concepts (Like them on Facebook MAC) Factory Trained & Authorized by BMW of North America Matt@Camber-Toe (Like them on Facebook Camber-Toe) LuxAngelEyes (Like them on Facebook LuxAngelEyes) LTBMW (Like them on Facebook LTBMW) OEMconcepts (Like them on Facebook OEMconcepts)

10-16-2007, 02:51 PM	#10
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	thats bullshit. They should be liable. Im still going through with it unless Audi can settle on a MUCH lower price to fix everything. Thanks though __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control

10-16-2007, 03:17 PM	#13
TheLegacy Gangsta status Drives: 2002 E39 M5, heavily modded Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shibuya Tokyo, Rockland NY, Killeen TX Posts: 972 iTrader: (0)	You're across the river from me. Sorry to hear about that but it will be tough and maybe not worth the $ __________________ -TheLegacy JDM-EDM-TT-V8-GANGSTA ALL THE WAY Modded "Ready for the Apocalypse"

10-16-2007, 03:22 PM	#14
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	turbo, tranny, pistons, clutch. thats what broke __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control

10-16-2007, 03:23 PM	#15
Zirenz2006 Really lookin forward to the weekend, you guys Drives: 12' F30 328i Sport Line Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: US - RI Posts: 3,057 iTrader: (0)	That sucks man. Sorry to hear that. This is why I will stay away from Procede. The 335i is fast enough for me as a daily driver.

10-16-2007, 03:24 PM	#16
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	so whats that mean, they can f**k up someone car and not be liable??? unbeleivable __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control

10-16-2007, 03:32 PM	#19
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	Ill get them down from $5k. I did know the risks. I was skeptical before I had it done. Was a mistake, a very expensive mistake. __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control

10-16-2007, 03:34 PM	#20
ihsanshaik Banned Drives: E36 M3, E36 Vert , E90 N52 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Downers Grove, IL Posts: 3,578 iTrader: (5)	if i was you i would sell it asap once it gets fixed. get a 335i

10-16-2007, 03:35 PM	#21
335rocket Captain Drives: 2011 335i M sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 839 iTrader: (0)	I have a 335. didnt you see my username and pic?? lol __________________ 2011 335i Sedan Sapphire black/Black leather/6MT/M package/Navi/Cold weather package/Harmon Kardon radio/Satellite radio/Premium package/ Rear park distance control

10-16-2007, 03:37 PM	#22
ihsanshaik Banned Drives: E36 M3, E36 Vert , E90 N52 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Downers Grove, IL Posts: 3,578 iTrader: (5)	Damn your setup is sick. Black on red with navi and 6 speed. What trim? i want that but in a 135i.

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