[dbonline]

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Read in a german article on Bimmertoday.de that the 335D bi-turbo will only be available as xDrive (all wheel drive) version and there are no plans for a RWD version. The 335i version will still be available in both xDrive as in RWD.

The 335D will be available in europe with a 8-speed automatic gearbox this summer with a fuel consumption of less than 6 liters / 100km. Accelerating drom 0 to 100km/h takes 5.5 sec with the more than 300 bhp new six cylinder engine.

Further they state an M350D is out of the question as it is deemed inprofitable.

Source: http://www.bimmertoday.de/2013/01/28/bmw-335d-xdrive-f30-2013-biturbo-diesel-allrad-f31-touring/

[Tsuvoi]

Cool. We'll never see this in the US. Not sure I would want to anyway.

I have a question for you. Generally, when is the new model year release date in Europe? I know in the US it's around September.

In other words, when can we expect the new F30 in Europe?

[Jamesons Viggen]

If only there was a 6mt BMW diesel.

[tuna_hp]

Not unreasonable considering all the torque that the engine produces.

Besides, this seems to be a different engine from the single-turbo 3.0L I6 diesel that has been promised for the American market. Remember this one? It was part of an official BMW release that promised both an I4 diesel making 180hp/280tq and an I6 diesel making 255hp and undisclosed torque. This version of the I6 diesel, which probably will have torque in the low 400 range, should be available in RWD at least in the European markets.

BMW can't bring these diesels to america soon enough. If you talk to most Americans, they simply have no concept of diesel's potential. I have a friend who has a Prius and I try to explain to him that in Europe you can buy a 3 series that gets about the same overall gas mileage as his Prius while being faster and everything else that makes a BMW a BMW. It does not compute for him. It is simply so against what the average American understands about cars that his brain simply will not allow him to believe that you can buy a car that is at least as roomy as a Prius, faster, stiffer, efficient, etc, while not being a hybrid. If BMW brings the rumored I4 diesel here and puts it in a 3-series that could shatter peoples' misconceptions.

[KneeDragr]

Originally Posted by tuna_hp

BMW can't bring these diesels to america soon enough. If you talk to most Americans, they simply have no concept of diesel's potential. I have a friend who has a Prius and I try to explain to him that in Europe you can buy a 3 series that gets about the same overall gas mileage as his Prius while being faster and everything else that makes a BMW a BMW. It does not compute for him. It is simply so against what the average American understands about cars that his brain simply will not allow him to believe that you can buy a car that is at least as roomy as a Prius, faster, stiffer, efficient, etc, while not being a hybrid. If BMW brings the rumored I4 diesel here and puts it in a 3-series that could shatter peoples' misconceptions.

I agree that from an acceleration and fuel economy stand point, a 255hp/400tq motor that gets 40mpg sounds perfect, but also remember that this 3-series will likely cost ~55k and be very nose heavy and less fun to drive than a 40k 328i that will accelerate the same, corner better, and get 30mpg.

I honestly dont see a 'huge' market in the US, especially since diesel costs 20% more than gas, it almost nullifies the fuel savings.

Diesel is more attractive in Europe where the bulk of the fuel price is taxes, the fuel economy difference is more noticeable on the wallet.

[tuna_hp]

Originally Posted by KneeDragr

I agree that from an acceleration and fuel economy stand point, a 255hp/400tq motor that gets 40mpg sounds perfect, but also remember that this 3-series will likely cost ~55k and be very nose heavy and less fun to drive than a 40k 328i that will accelerate the same, corner better, and get 30mpg.

I honestly dont see a 'huge' market in the US, especially since diesel costs 20% more than gas, it almost nullifies the fuel savings.

Diesel is more attractive in Europe where the bulk of the fuel price is taxes, the fuel economy difference is more noticeable on the wallet.

Well I was talking about this promised I4 diesel which should be cheaper and more efficient than that. 45mpg+ and lower MSRP than the 335i.

The economics of the AH3 don't make sense either but a few people buy it.

You're absolutely right, the economics aren't as appealing here as in Europe, but if I had to choose between a BMW hybrid and a BMW diesel there would be no question that I would take the diesel.

[rconti]

I can't blame 'em. While I'm a RWD purist, I would like a F31 diesel touring xDrive 6spd M/T. Slushbox is simply not an option. I won't buy one.

While no doubt there is a big demand for an RWD diesel, it makes sense that there's less calling for one. The gas engine rush to redline (especially with the turbo motors) is something one associates with RWD performance; the torque monster diesel, not so much. And anyway, the diesel can more easily haul around the xDrive weight without a performance penalty.

[clbmw]

Scott said not that long ago that a diesel M performance was due for the 3, 4, x3,x4.

The fact that this summer release of a big diesel is x drive only suggests this could be the M perf model. Being x drive only suggests a lot of power/torque (why else 4wd only). Plus if it is an M335d I expect bhp to be up a bit over 335i and probably 313bhp or more.

I wonder therefore if it will be badged M340d to bring into line with other nomenclature in BMW badges (e.g. 40d on the big x series models)

Whatever it is hurry up and release it BMW

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by dbonline

Read in a german article on Bimmertoday.de that the 335D bi-turbo will only be available as xDrive (all wheel drive) version and there are no plans for a RWD version. The 335i version will still be available in both xDrive as in RWD.

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Source: http://www.bimmertoday.de/2013/01/28...d-f31-touring/

Thanks for bringing this information to our attention. It will be interesting to see if it holds for all markets where the 335d will be sold (I suspect that it will, if it is indeed true to begin with).

Bummer about the N57S not going into the F3x as well. Not a surprise, but it sure would have made for an amazing car.

Originally Posted by tuna_hp

Not unreasonable considering all the torque that the engine produces.

Yes and no. Remember, the 535d (and other *35d and *40d BMW models) will still be available with RWD.

Besides, this seems to be a different engine from the single-turbo 3.0L I6 diesel that has been promised for the American market.

Well, yes, that's absolutely true, but the OP wasn't really commenting about the American market.

For the record, we'll be getting the N57 with single turbo. It's already available in the 3 Series in Europe and the rest of world in the 330d (and many other *30d models), and yes it can be had with RWD. For our market, we can almost surely expect it to be badged "*35d" instead. It will be available in the 5 Series and X5, perhaps the 7 Series, and possibly the X3 too, but not the 3 Series.

If BMW brings the rumored I4 diesel here and puts it in a 3-series that could shatter peoples' misconceptions.

It's already been shown (at NYIAS) and details are available in this forum. It's essentially a 320d rebadged as 328d.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by clbmw

Scott said not that long ago that a diesel M performance was due for the 3, 4, x3,x4.

Nothing is certain yet, but I seem to remember some discussions about M Performance models using a four cylinder engine, at least for the 3 series and below (not sure about the 4 and midsize SAVs).

Think in terms of an I4 diesel making about 125hp/L - a sibling to the N57S in manner of speaking (though perhaps not with its three-turbo setup). Again, this is speculation, but I think it makes some degree of sense.

Edit: Here's SCOTT's comment. It is a bit cryptic and ambiguous, or even seemingly contradictory:

"There are plans to establish a further range of M Performance models with the 3er Sedan and Touring, The X3 and forthcoming X4 with a diesel that mirrors the more high end 5er and X5 and X6.

They are looking at four cylinder diesel for these models in order to have one chapter after the other. In early 2013 the BMW 6er will receive the M650d, allowing BMW to have a full line of M Performance vehicles. The 4er will surely follow after the initial M340d , X3M40d and X4M40d."

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=23

He mentions both four cylinders and M*40d models. I am not sure if he means that BMW could badge an M Performance I4 diesel as a *40d, or if he is talking about two separate M Performance diesel lineups (both I4 and I6 based models) or what.

Edit2: I see that you've already commented about SCOTTs post in that same thread. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Nothing is certain yet, but I seem to remember some discussions about M Performance models using a four cylinder engine, at least for the 3 series and below (not sure about the 4 and midsize SAVs).

Think in terms of an I4 diesel making about 125hp/L - a sibling to the N57S in manner of speaking (though perhaps not with its three-turbo setup). Again, this is speculation, but I think it makes some degree of sense.

Edit: Here's SCOTT's comment. It is a bit cryptic and ambiguous, or even seemingly contradictory:

"There are plans to establish a further range of M Performance models with the 3er Sedan and Touring, The X3 and forthcoming X4 with a diesel that mirrors the more high end 5er and X5 and X6.

They are looking at four cylinder diesel for these models in order to have one chapter after the other. In early 2013 the BMW 6er will receive the M650d, allowing BMW to have a full line of M Performance vehicles. The 4er will surely follow after the initial M340d , X3M40d and X4M40d."

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=23

He mentions both four cylinders and M*40d models. I am not sure if he means that BMW could badge an M Performance I4 diesel as a *40d, or if he is talking about two separate M Performance diesel lineups (both I4 and I6 based models) or what.

Edit2: I see that you've already commented about SCOTTs post in that same thread. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Would be awesome to have 2 different M performance models for the 3 series... Who knows. Just itching to find out.

Just hoping there will be a proper diesel rocket with low enough emissions for company car feasibility.

[shivaswrath]

I think the US Government has issues with diesel, not necessarily us Americans...if the EPA standards weren't so stringent, we could've had a strong proliferation of diesel engines here.

But between the particulate matter minimums, and the this and the that, the uptake is slow...I originally wanted a F30 with a diesel engine, but got tired of waiting, and realized the MPG gain vs. performance loss would've been substantial (30mpg and sub-5-second 60 sprints in my current ride versus 45 mpg and 7 second 60 sprints in the diesel equivalent)...

A 335d would change this, however...

[ft1338]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

I think the US Government has issues with diesel, not necessarily us Americans...if the EPA standards weren't so stringent, we could've had a strong proliferation of diesel engines here.

But between the particulate matter minimums, and the this and the that, the uptake is slow...I originally wanted a F30 with a diesel engine, but got tired of waiting, and realized the MPG gain vs. performance loss would've been substantial (30mpg and sub-5-second 60 sprints in my current ride versus 45 mpg and 7 second 60 sprints in the diesel equivalent)...

A 335d would change this, however...

If the particles are the real reason then that's major hypocrisy! If the gov wants to start controlling what people buy for the sake of being "green", then how about they outlaw gas-guzzling SUVs and coal power plant as a starting point.......

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by ft1338

If the particles are the real reason then that's major hypocrisy! If the gov wants to start controlling what people buy for the sake of being "green", then how about they outlaw gas-guzzling SUVs and coal power plant as a starting point.......

I feel for you, I love petrol and high rev limits and hate the sound of my tractor but you cannot get close to the economy of a diesel. I get 60mpg+ (50 us mpg) out of my 320d ed pretty much week in week out and only ever dips below if I thrash it (not thresh with).

But I really cannot wait to see what they come up with next for the 3er in diesel. Loved the 330d.