[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by sid21177

would you be able to figure out if any E82s (128i/135i) are scheduled for production past july-aug this year/next year ??

No.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

How bout it? Can we pull some info on the 1GTs, 3GTs, X4s, F2x 2s, and 4GCs running around out there? Or at least an F15 X5. Or surely an F10 LCI at least (N63Tu 550i coming? 320hp 540i coming?).

I can tell you that the new N63Tu 550i engine will have 480 HP. Don't ask me how I know that.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I hesitate to trust the information in this database.

Can we verify the consistency that specs of past pre-production vehicles in this database have accurately predicted the specs of their production counterparts? That would demonstrate its reliability. Specifically, I refer to specs of not-yet-in-production engines.

If, for example, this database had (or has) confirmed the 300hp N54 powered E90 335i or 414hp S65-powered E92 M3 before that information was anywhere close to public then I would be more inclined to temper my skepticism.

This is a valid argument. If you saw my original posts, I only dumped data and didn't try to make any claims, since I had the same concerns.

But here's some evidence that may add some confidence.

This, I believe, is the first E92 M3 ever built:

VIN WBSWD910X0PY29000
Type code WD91
Type M3 (EUR)
E series E92 (M3)
Series 3
Type COUPE
Steering LL
Doors 2
Engine S65
Displacement 4.00
Power 309
Drive HECK
Transmission MECH
Colour SCHWARZ 2 (668)
Upholstery LEDER NOVILLO/SCHWARZ (NCSW)
Prod.date 2006-07-11

(SOP for this model was June 2007.)

And this is the first 335i (an E92).

VIN WBAWB71020PG13000
Type code WB71
Type 335I (EUR)
E series E92 ()
Series 3
Type COUPE
Steering LL
Doors 2
Engine N54
Displacement 3.00
Power 225
Drive HECK
Transmission MECH
Colour SPACEGRAU METALLIC (A52)
Upholstery LEDER DAKOTA/SCHWARZ (LCSW)
Prod.date 2005-11-14

(SOP for this model was June 2006.)

We know BMW will be releasing the first member of the new engine family - the three cylinder B38 - soon. The I4 and I6 should be coming shortly thereafter. Logically, all of these engine are being tested in vehicles today. And Given the shear number of prerelease BMWs seen testing in the wild, I should think that somewhere in all that data we could dig up some vehicles with all sorts of new and interesting details of upcoming engines. If that is, such information really is out there.

How bout it? Can we pull some info on the 1GTs, 3GTs, X4s, F2x 2s, and 4GCs running around out there? Or at least an F15 X5. Or surely an F10 LCI at least (N63Tu 550i coming? 320hp 540i coming?).

I'm working on it.

[Liang]

Wow come out with a better engine to replace the N55 already!

[Liang]

Sorry double post on phone.

[Nantucket]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I wonder if F80 is being built elsewhere? Or maybe they use a different plant code letter for Munich instead of F? It's hiding somewhere, and I can't find it.

I wish I had a Transbase viewer...

The 3 series coupe,including the M3,have always been built at the Regensburg plant in Germany.They don't manufacture them at any other plants.

[WJGreer]

Originally Posted by Liang

Wow come out with a better engine to replace the N55 already!

Agree, but it could still be the N55 yet in a different state of tune. The 640, for instance, has a 315hp version of the N55 if memory serves. I figure, at least, they'll be putting that into the 3/4 series as soon as they get it certified.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

The 3 series coupe,including the M3,have always been built at the Regensburg plant in Germany.They don't manufacture them at any other plants.

Yup, once I managed to get inside Transbase, I figured it out.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn
I wonder if F80 is being built elsewhere? Or maybe they use a different plant code letter for Munich instead of F? It's hiding somewhere, and I can't find it.

I wish I had a Transbase viewer...

Originally Posted by Nantucket

The 3 series coupe,including the M3,have always been built at the Regensburg plant in Germany.They don't manufacture them at any other plants.

^^+1. Regensburg produces the M3 (in e90, e92, e93), Z4, F30, F32(coupe) and F20 (4 door hatch). It is a mixed production. I was there just last week.

Munich only produces the F30 and F31(wagon).

[3s-a-charm]

Originally Posted by KORALLROT

So how about that shakir orange interior on that M4?

I noticed that!! Some M5 trickle-downs are making their way to the M4!

[300hp]

Originally Posted by WJGreer

Agree, but it could still be the N55 yet in a different state of tune. The 640, for instance, has a 315hp version of the N55 if memory serves. I figure, at least, they'll be putting that into the 3/4 series as soon as they get it certified.

Guys the N55 is the best engine in each class up to the 435i. I have no idea how one could make this engine any better. If power is the issue there is the available power pack.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

This is a valid argument. If you saw my original posts, I only dumped data and didn't try to make any claims, since I had the same concerns.

But here's some evidence that may add some confidence.

Thanks for taking the time to dig this up and post it. Very cool.

Now, the next step would be to prove that this information appeared in that database back in 2005 and 2007 exactly as you've shown here. In other words, how do we know the data was not fudged when originally entered and then changed later on to reflect reality?

I'm working on it.

Great. I will be very curious to hear what you manage to find.

Putting aside my hesitation for a moment, I have to wonder why this resource has not been exploited for these purposes (obtaining "leaked" info) in the past. Or maybe it had been, but I just didn't know about it. I've never seen reference to it until this past week. Has this data only recently been available publicly?

[Nantucket]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Originally Posted by ynguldyn
I wonder if F80 is being built elsewhere? Or maybe they use a different plant code letter for Munich instead of F? It's hiding somewhere, and I can't find it.

I wish I had a Transbase viewer...




^^+1. Regensburg produces the M3 (in e90, e92, e93), Z4, F30, F32(coupe) and F20 (4 door hatch). It is a mixed production. I was there just last week.

Munich only produces the F30 and F31(wagon).

Exactly,that is the point I was making.I have also toured both plants.They do produce those other models but they are the only plant that manufactures the 3 series coupe,which will now be the 4 series coupe.
Do they still have the display room for some of the individual color cars they have just made when you exit the tour?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by 300hp

I have no idea how one could make this engine any better.

Luckily then, you aren't the engineer. I kid.

But don't worry because you will have the answers once the B68 arrives.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

I can tell you that the new N63Tu 550i engine will have 480 HP. Don't ask me how I know that.

That would be beyond surprising since the ~450hp version just debuted last year. It also seems unnecessary since, like I said, they are already best in class now.

But, assuming you are serious, I will assume you know what you are talking about. In fact, let's see now if this database shows us a 480hp 550i. If it really is the all knowing oracle (pun intended for you IT folks) we are hoping it should be able to show us the truth. Again, that is, assuming you are not pulling our legs here, or perhaps suggesting that that engine is underrated by BMW.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Luckily then, you aren't the engineer. I kid.

But don't worry because you will have the answers once the B68 arrives.

True I am no engineer. i wish I were though, i would love to have been the guy behind the N55

[Mark_K]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

That would be beyond surprising since the ~450hp version just debuted last year. It also seems unnecessary since, like I said, they are already best in class now.

Not to mention, they are mainly sold in US. Why the eff do you want 450hp car in US? Give us 180 hp diesel with MT across the models line - and even that is way overpowered to drive in US.

Track hounds have all the ///M cars they can afford, but regular traffic? 450+ hp? Give me a break!

EDIT: yes, buying E92 N55 car to drive here was total insanity (and stupidity, with hindsight). I would not do it again if I could get back in the past.
EDIT2: Yes, I do track my car without mercy. That doesn't solve the problem of the the remaining 99.9% miles on that car's ODO.

[aceking4u]

European Delivery Here I Come!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Now, the next step would be to prove that this information appeared in that database back in 2005 and 2007 exactly as you've shown here. In other words, how do we know the data was not fudged when originally entered and then changed later on to reflect reality?

Unfortunately, it will probably take a time machine to get an answer to this.

Putting aside my hesitation for a moment, I have to wonder why this resource has not been exploited for these purposes (obtaining "leaked" info) in the past. Or maybe it had been, but I just didn't know about it. I've never seen reference to it until this past week. Has this data only recently been available publicly?

Public access to ASAP is a relatively recent thing, maybe a year old. And it took this long for someone smart like me to realize the potential.

[Mnime]

Originally Posted by chrisv_335EBII

Tell us how you really feel!

i think i butt posted. i don't even remember looking at this post today not to mention actually posting something.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Unfortunately, it will probably take a time machine to get an answer to this.

Indeed. And that is why I am advocating we (read: you ) gather as much data about other unreleased products represented in the system as can be found at this time. Later it can be used as a check-list to see how the results pan out, and if the data is changed or removed.

Public access to ASAP is a relatively recent thing, maybe a year old. And it took this long for someone smart like me to realize the potential.

Heh heh, well good for you. It is intriguing at least, and probably a genuinely important find.

[cartaa100]

Wish there was a 440i with a v8