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      01-21-2013, 11:37 AM   #89
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well it will be interesting to see how they price and package it. in the uk the comparable 320d is 1500 pounds less than a 328i.

it would be awesome if they mirrored the 328i packaging. i.e., rwd and x drive with a manual and auto avail in the rwd version. i get this feeling though bmw canada will only give us the diesel x drive automatic only. personally, i'm not sold on that idea.

i'm curious. from that vin can you guys tell us about transmission options? by the way, clarence where did you dig up that pic???

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i'm curious. from that vin can you guys tell us about transmission options? by the way, clarence where did you dig up that pic???
The VIN tells us nothing. I got a reply from bmwvin.com & a gentleman named Paul said it's not in the system.
The pic is from bmw.com's 360deg configurator. If u click on download it opens another tab with just a pic of the car's exterior. U can change various configs by editing the pic's URL (e.g. models, rims, colours, options etc. etc.). It's fun putting on a set of 16" steel rims w/hubcaps on a 335i M-sport.
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      01-21-2013, 12:03 PM   #91
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Brief inspection makes it obvious there will be power difference: the bumper grilles are different from EU 320d (different cooling -> possibly different boost), and the exhaust is dual instead of single pipe.
The car at Montreal has single exhaust, can anyone confirm? I saw that on the vid 2 pages back.
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The car at Montreal has single exhaust, can anyone confirm? I saw that on the vid 2 pages back.
So to do list, be there tonight will report this evening:

Exhaust
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Tie myself to the car until I get a straight answer...
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So to do list, be there tonight will report this evening:

Exhaust
Picture right side of motor
Tie myself to the car until I get a straight answer...
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If you can, bring a small flashlight so you can snoop around under the hood and under the car.
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So to do list, be there tonight will report this evening:

Exhaust
Picture right side of motor
Tie myself to the car until I get a straight answer...
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i called bmw canada head office and told them about the misinformation at the montreal show and i got "the corporate i have no idea" response. she then followed up with, "the web site should have a press release soon". i'm sure you will get the same blank look from the reps on the floor. push them hard, theeeennnn strap yourself to the car. and make sure you take pics of that too.


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Ah, smart move!

And 3D33 (RWD) is alive in the system too.

So, it's a 320d rebadged as 328d for US. Now we just need to find out if it really deserves to be badged like this.

Brief inspection makes it obvious there will be power difference: the bumper grilles are different from EU 320d (different cooling -> possibly different boost), and the exhaust is dual instead of single pipe.
where did you check to see if these two codes are active?
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My girlfriend took the picture, she works at the auto show, I'll be there tomorrow to ask questions...
Younsee quite a bit in the reflection. Hair length is too long for a guy for starters.

Ok some bmw male owners may keep their hair long but very few i would have thought being a conservative lot.

Then there's the proportion of the neck width to the chin. Too narrow to be masculine. Finally the shirt collar proprotions are smaller than those found in male shirts.

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where did you check to see if these two codes are active?
See clarence's wallpaper on the previous page. This is a jpg generated by bmw.com based on the model code and options (open the image in a new browser tab and read the URL, everything is specified in it). Basically, what you do is go to bmw.com configurator, click to download the wallpaper, then start tweaking the URL of the image. You can add/remove option codes, and you'll see different wheels, different colors, etc. This is trivial. What is more interesting is you can also change model code, and if that model code exists in the site's internal database, bmw.com will generate you an image of that model, even if there's no public link to that model. So, you start with just any F30, then get the image URL, replace the model code, and if you get an image, then you know that model exists. So, from that VIN we knew that the model code of the car at the show was 3D53, and clarence confirmed that, when bmw.com generated that image for him. As for the RWD car, we've known for a few months now that the North American model code would be 3D33, since the first image of a NA spec diesel example was posted on this forum several months ago. I tried it, and got the same image as clarence did, but without the xDrive badge on the trunk.

Another example: if you use 3G53 model code, you'll see the North American 328i Touring, and 3G73 will show the NA 328i xDrive Touring. There's nothing official about them besides some promo materials on bmwusa.com, but these images provide some additional information.
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If it is a 320d rebadged what happens when the 330d is released outside europe? Hope it isnt just a rebadged 320d. Doesnt make sense
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Actually, I should take back that "320d rebadged" claim. I always thought that the first three digits of the model code identify the model, and the last one denotes the market. But I've just found one example where this rule is broken: 3G73 is NA 328i xDrive Touring, while 3G71 is EU 320i Touring. Which means it's not really a rule, just a persistent coincidence.
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Europeans 3-series have two 2L diesel, the 320d and the 325d, the latter being to the closest that we will have here.

I understand their hesitation to market it as a 328d.... should be 325d to avoid any confusion.
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Europeans 3-series have two 2L diesel, the 320d and the 325d, the latter being to the closest that we will have here.

I understand their hesitation to market it as a 328d.... should be 325d to avoid any confusion.
There are actually 4 versions with N47 - 316d, 318d, 320d & 325d. Only 325d gets two-stage twin turbos.
With the US spec E90 335d, I think the initial power output was around 265hp & that's between the European 330d & 335d, so I think for this they're not sure which badge to use yet.
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i called bmw canada head office and told them about the misinformation at the montreal show and i got "the corporate i have no idea" response. she then followed up with, "the web site should have a press release soon". i'm sure you will get the same blank look from the reps on the floor. push them hard, theeeennnn strap yourself to the car. and make sure you take pics of that too.
There's currently no info showing up on the Canadian press website either, not even a mention of the Montreal show.
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There are actually 4 versions with N47 - 316d, 318d, 320d & 325d. Only 325d gets two-stage twin turbos.
Apparently, they are all 2L. Weird. But I don't thinl that there are turbos as you say. "TwinPower Turbo" <> "Twin Turbo"

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Any reason why the 325d two two stage turbo engine was not available as one of the "launch" engines then?
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In an interview with BimmerFile, 3 series product manager for BMWUSA confirmed, for the US at least, a 320d (180 hp, 280 ft-lb) which may be called 328d. He calls it both in the interview. Surprising to me they haven't decided what to call it yet. Let's hope for 320d.

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2013/01/20...r-interviewed/
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Spoke to a rep, he told me BMW Canada did not give any technical info on the car, in fact the spec sheet was removed....
He said it should be the 2.0d so we might get a 320 rebadged into 328d...
again nothing is confirmed, for Canadian market the car will only be available in xdrive and only with AT, should be in showrooms in 3-4 months, orders in a few weeks.
Plus I learned the 328 xdrive classic will no longer be available and replaced with the 320 xdrive like the one offered now in the US.

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thanks discoboy. wow, i was told a couple weeks ago production would start is july. i heard that it would be x drive and AT. this whole automatic only thing feels like a sell out. ugh. that's terrible news. if the states gets a manual transmission or rwd i might just buy there and bring it up to canada.

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Thx for the pics. Looks like the engine package is similar to the 320d Blue Performance sold in Japan with some tweaks for US/CDN markets.
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I'd wager on 204hp/295lb-ft if the engine is indeed a tuned N47 (320d engine)... 240/295 doesn't look quite right for Diesel.
You may be onto something.

If you look at the E82 123d (the only *23d model still being produced - others have moved onto *25d now) specs on bmw.com it says the engine makes 204hp and 400Nm. If you plug that second number into your favorite converter the result is... you guessed it; 295ft-lb.

As for why BMW would give us the 204hp version just as everyone else is getting upgraded, well who knows. Maybe that's the most they can get from the engine while passing emissions over here.

In any case, evidence still abounds from other sources that there will indeed be a 328d so it is still a mystery as to what that is. Of course they could still use that name here in North America even if the car is outperformed by "lesser" models sold elsewhere.
I really hope those numbers are good, anything lower than 200hp would be too slow. Please, BMW, don't give us a rebadged 320d just because you want to artifically 'upscale' that model - give us a power bump!
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Apparently, they are all 2L. Weird. But I don't thinl that there are turbos as you say. "TwinPower Turbo" <> "Twin Turbo"
They are all 2 litre belonging to N47 family. 316d, 318d & 320d all have single turbo (aka twinpower turbo), 325d have two-stage twin turbos (i.e. sequential twin-turbos).
The 25d engine is an update of the previous 23d twin-turbo, with increased torque & power. For F10/11 this updated engine replaced the detuned N57 3 litre straight 6 in the 525d.

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Any reason why the 325d two two stage turbo engine was not available as one of the "launch" engines then?
I think the planned update from 23d to 25d was to be introduced during 2012 (F30 launched Nov 2011), so they used that instead on the 525d during MY2013 update. Also nobody at launch know abt the actual demand for each particular engine type, so they tend to play safe & launch with the most popular combos first. Another thing is potential production capacity constraints, as not all plants making F30 are online at launch time.
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