[KeenDriver]

With the 2013 changes, it appears you can put the Adaptive M suspension on any line. If you put the Adaptive M suspension on a luxury and sport line and drove them both, does that mean you could have a luxury line feel like a sport or would they still feel different? I've searched for this item on the board, but couldn't find an answer to this question.

[M3111Z]

I think it depends on how much of a difference performance tires and the lowered suspension make. As far as I can tell, these are the only differences affecting performance between a sport line and a non-sport line. I just ordered a 2013 no-line 335 and I was thrilled to be able to get the adaptive suspension with it. This was the one thing I really wanted from the sport line.

[SomeRandomer123]

In the UK, we have standard springs across the range, apart from M Sport (although they should be available as a free optional extra). We can then upgrade to a firmer suspension or M Adaptive. So we can have a Luxury out drive a Sport for instance.
The lines here are purely cosmetic, with engine restrictions. Sport Line is a "budget line" so we can't get anything north of a 20d in that guise.
Looks like they want to restrict you less in the US like over here.

[martianpc]

Does adaptive m suspension actually do anything to make the car more sporty than the standard sportline here in the us?

Or does it just have the option of making a ride more comfortable when you don't want the suspension to be more sporty?

[gerbs]

Originally Posted by martianpc

Does adaptive m suspension actually do anything to make the car more sporty than the standard sportline here in the us?

All F30s have sport/comfort driving modes, but only F30s with the M Adaptive Suspension package actually tighten/loosen the suspension respectively. Without M Adaptive, the driving modes simply change the throttle response, steering feel, etc. but not the suspension.

The M Adaptive package basically adds advanced electronic functionality to your vehicle's handling dynamics + gives you adjustable damping based on your driving mode. Both the Sport suspension or M Adaptive suspension lower your ride height by 10mm vs. stock.

ric124 posted a picture of his setup; the wire sticking out goes through to the the M Adaptive unit. (however these are aftermarket springs):

[Fraggy]

There seems to be no evidence to confirm anything in this thread

[a_k]

Originally Posted by gerbs

So to recap,

All F30s have sport/comfort driving+suspension modes, which actually tighten/loosen the suspension respectively with or without the M Adaptive suspension package.

All F30s have sport/comfort/ecopro driving modes, but it has nothing to do with suspension (adjustments are done for steering, throttle response, shift points, etc.). Adaptive suspension adds adjustable dampers (that's what the wire is for on that picture). Adding Adaptive M suspension to non Sportline should add also Sport+ mode.

[Feanor]

Originally Posted by gerbs

So to recap,

All F30s have sport/comfort driving+suspension modes, which actually tighten/loosen the suspension respectively with or without the M Adaptive suspension package.

Sorry but you're mistaken on this.

F30s without adaptive suspension just have bog standard passive suspension. Pressing the eco/comfort/sport button doesn't do anything to the suspension on these cars, it just alters the throttle response and steering wheel feel.

Adaptive suspension changes depending on the mode the car is in but also, from what I've read, depending on the road surface. So if you're on a bumpy road in sport mode the dampers will absorb the bumps better than passive sport suspension would.

What you said elsewhere is I believe correct though - that adaptive M adapts to the road surface semi-independantly of the mode the car is in. So even in sports mode, bumps will be less pronounced than in passive sport suspension.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Feanor

Sorry but you're mistaken on this.

F30s without adaptive suspension just have bog standard passive suspension. Pressing the eco/comfort/sport button doesn't do anything to the suspension on these cars, it just alters the throttle response and steering wheel feel.

+1

There definitely is confusion on what the toggle switch does to the chassis and suspension. We had the same confusion with the F10 5-series and it is also now being discussed in the F25 X3 forum. I posted the following comment in the linked thread.

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698812

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Nothing in the suspension changes, if you don't have the adaptive strut/damper with the valve on the side.

I sense from some of the postings in the threads on adaptive damping, that there is the feeling there is some secondary system which is 'modified' with the toggle switch, even if VDC is not fitted.

We had the same sort of feeling and comments when the F10 came out. True there is a difference in the feel of the car, even without VDC, when switched to sport, but it is only the steering being 'tightened' which has changed the chassis feel. (Confirmed by BMW).

It is not all in the mind either, the vehicle's dynamics do change. As a driver you do feel the difference, but it isn't a 'secondary' suspension modification.

HighlandPete

HighlandPete

[JustinTJ]

Let me share what we already know. This option is only on Idrive for those with the option.:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=604646

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[s420merc]

Now if i order a 328 xdrive with Msport and Adaptive Suspension
Will my ride height be lower then without the Adaptive
Suspension. In other will having the active suspension
Give me a drop in sports mode

[r3dbimmer89]

Originally Posted by s420merc

Now if i order a 328 xdrive with Msport and Adaptive Suspension
Will my ride height be lower then without the Adaptive
Suspension. In other will having the active suspension
Give me a drop in sports mode

I have been wondering about this as well. I'm more than sure it should be the same height as non X-Drive cars. BTW the adaptive M suspension doesn't lower the suspension height in sport mode only, it's the same height regardless of which mode you're in.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by KeenDriver

With the 2013 changes, it appears you can put the Adaptive M suspension on any line. If you put the Adaptive M suspension on a luxury and sport line and drove them both, does that mean you could have a luxury line feel like a sport or would they still feel different? I've searched for this item on the board, but couldn't find an answer to this question.

Is this true about the adaptive M being available on non-sport lines? Anyone know if the same is true of the sport auto transmission and variable sport steering?

My life would be simpler if they just allow more interior colors with the sportline..

[dude987]

Originally Posted by chrisny

Is this true about the adaptive M being available on non-sport lines? Anyone know if the same is true of the sport auto transmission and variable sport steering?

My life would be simpler if they just allow more interior colors with the sportline..

Yes to all above. You can get any of those options on any line.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by dude987

Yes to all above. You can get any of those options on any line.

Looks like (according to the bmwusa.com configurator) that was already the case for the auto and steering for the 2012's, guess I never tried it on the other lines..

But the adaptive M for 2012 was only available (in the US) on sport-line, correct?

[dude987]

Originally Posted by chrisny

Looks like (according to the bmwusa.com configurator) that was already the case for the auto and steering for the 2012's, guess I never tried it on the other lines..

But the adaptive M for 2012 was only available (in the US) on sport-line, correct?

Sorry. My response was based on 2013 line. Not sure about 2012 but adaptive M is available as a ZDH Dynamic Handling Package option on the 2013 line.

[geko29]

Originally Posted by dude987

Yes to all above. You can get any of those options on any line.

Nope. According to the 2012 "build your own" on bmwusa.com and the 2013 configurator on bmwconfig.com, the sport auto is only available on the sport line or M-sport line. Try to add it to any other line and you automatically get switched to sport.

Also, if you look in the pricing guide for 2013 (posted at the top of this forum), under the option code 2TB for Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles, it says "2TB requires ordering ZMM or ZSL". ZMM is M-Sport, ZSL is Sport.

Bottom line: as of 2013, M-adaptive suspension is now available regardless of line, but the sport auto is still only available on sport and M-sport.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by geko29

Nope. According to the 2012 "build your own" on bmwusa.com and the 2013 configurator on bmwconfig.com, the sport auto is only available on the sport line or M-sport line. Try to add it to any other line and you automatically get switched to sport.

Also, if you look in the pricing guide for 2013 (posted at the top of this forum), under the option code 2TB for Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles, it says "2TB requires ordering ZMM or ZSL". ZMM is M-Sport, ZSL is Sport.

Bottom line: as of 2013, M-adaptive suspension is now available regardless of line, but the sport auto is still only available on sport and M-sport.

Thanks for clearing up, didn't notice that it switched you to sport line

[freshwhite335]

Originally Posted by chrisny

My life would be simpler if they just allow more interior colors with the sportline..

would kill for an est blue on saddle msport. neva gonna happen

[world_traveler]

Can you get the summer high performance tires and 155 mph limiter (840) on any line or just sport line (and standard on M Sport)? I think these are not available on base, modern and luxury -- you're stuck with M&S tires and the 130 mph limiter (US market).

[pcbrew]

Originally Posted by world_traveler

Can you get the summer high performance tires and 155 mph limiter (840) on any line or just sport line (and standard on M Sport)? I think these are not available on base, modern and luxury -- you're stuck with M&S tires and the 130 mph limiter (US market).

The only way to get it on non Sport or M-Sport is to get a 335i with Lux or Modern and get the 19" wheel option.

It is standard on both Sport & M-Sport but can be downgraded if you get the 18" standard wheel option AND order all season tires (ZAS).

[JustinTJ]

Originally Posted by freshwhite335

would kill for an est blue on saddle msport. neva gonna happen

Trust me, I tried all the way up the ladder to New Jersey.

When they said no, I dropped Premium.