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      09-03-2012, 09:34 PM   #1
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Help, winter tires 335i M-sport

I have a 2013 335i M-sport in production right now!! (To be completed 09/11/2012). I live in upstate NY state and want a winter tire/wheel set. I ordered the car with the 19" 403m wheels. I would like 18" wheels for the winter.

My question is what is the rubber size for the front and rear. It seems that every day I check Tire Rack, they show a differant size.

Is there anybody out there with a 2012 335i that has any helpful imput?

Thanks in advance!!
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winter wheels/tires for 335i M Sport

Since both BMW USA and BMW Canada recommend a 17" set for the F30-335i, that's what I ordered. They also offer an optional 18" set. The 17s will yield a better ride in cold temperatures and the narrower tire treads will track better in snow.

The 17" snow tires, 225/45 x 17 front and rear, recommended are Pirelli Sottozero II RFT mounted on V spoke Style 413 alloys.

You could of course purchase a set for much less $$$ @ Tirerack, buy I would not trust my safety to any Chinese-made rims.
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osco1606 - I don't know the answer to this, but if you have the M Sport Brakes, you might want to state that too. Not sure if the clearance for the callipers changes anything....
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I had a set of Blizzaks that I bought in 2011 for my 2009 E90 335i. I checked with Tire Rack to see if they would fit on the new F30 I just got and Tire Rack confirmed they will. No, they're not BMW wheels, but then I don't plan on being in the snow with my car....any car....in more than an inch or two of snow.
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osco1606 - I don't know the answer to this, but if you have the M Sport Brakes, you might want to state that too. Not sure if the clearance for the callipers changes anything....
Ordered the M-sport package, did not choose different brakes. Fairly certain the minimum wheel size is 18-in (don't have specs handy though).
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      09-05-2012, 07:54 AM   #6
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I'm going with a 18x8 square setup all around. 225/40/18 tires. Had the same on my 2 RWD E90s and my brother's xDrive E90. On the xDrive E90 it was like a snow mobile with this setup.
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Ordered the M-sport package, did not choose different brakes. Fairly certain the minimum wheel size is 18-in (don't have specs handy though).
17s would fit. I believe if you have the upgraded brake kit the minimum is 18s. for "gap" purposes and aesthetics of the m sport go with 18s at least!
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Black wheels make the illusion of 17's look less important since you can't see them.

Also I wouldn't have any qualms with any of the rims on Tire rack. For one, if you go with 17's you're going to have a LOT of side wall, and if you want to spend more money on a quality set of BBS's you can, but why buy nice wheels only to have them pitted to death with salt?

Cheap set of black rims, and if you bend one you're out $120 instead of $400 for an OEM rim.
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Going w/ OEM M-Sport Staggered setup for my winters.

225/19 front, 255/19 rear ... performance difference is almost not existent. Asthetics of my car in the winter is equally as important to me as safety is. Pricey setup though. A set of Bridgstone Blizzack LM-60s are running me about $1,600.
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Going w/ OEM M-Sport Staggered setup for my winters.

225/19 front, 255/19 rear ... performance difference is almost not existent. Asthetics of my car in the winter is equally as important to me as safety is. Pricey setup though. A set of Bridgstone Blizzack LM-60s are running me about $1,600.
Are you going with 19"????

$1600 just for the tires? What about the rims?
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Looks like the only winter run flats offered so far are the Pirelli's @ $239.00/each. Would be nice to have a choice. Any other run flats out there in 225/45/18?
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Going w/ OEM M-Sport Staggered setup for my winters.

225/19 front, 255/19 rear ... performance difference is almost not existent. Asthetics of my car in the winter is equally as important to me as safety is. Pricey setup though. A set of Bridgstone Blizzack LM-60s are running me about $1,600.

Dude.. that's not a good idea... 19" 255's for winter will be bat-shit retarded.. I get the aesthetic appeal, but trust me.. go 225 square...
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Dude.. that's not a good idea... 19" 255's for winter will be bat-shit retarded.. I get the aesthetic appeal, but trust me.. go 225 square...
Agreed.
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Dude.. that's not a good idea... 19" 255's for winter will be bat-shit retarded.. I get the aesthetic appeal, but trust me.. go 225 square...
I apprecate the concern ... but have checked w/ multiple sources (pro guys at a few tire shops).

For the winters we get in Toronto, it will make almost no difference. 3 cm wider tire at the rear makes very little difference in the grand scheme of physics (i.e. braking distance).

Re: Rims. Ordered a set of ZCP Competition Replica's (M3 Competition Replica). Cost was $750 for a staggered set of 19s (8.5F, 9.5R) + $150 for shipping + $100 taxes = $1K.

Might end up using these rims for my summer setup (as I think I will prefer the offset on these + looks better than the OEM stocks). ET+ 35F, ET+38R.

Once I mount my winters and see how it looks on my car in teh winter, I may remount my summers on the ZCPs and use the OEM M Sport rims for my winter setup. Time will tell.
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Agreed.
Guys ... Many suggest a square setup, not because of the winter performance (as everyone says slimmer is better), but because you can rotate them + narrower tires cost less.

It doesn't actually make much a difference in driving performance (as much as you want to convince yourself that it does)... it really doesnt.

Benefit of a higher profile tire (i.e. larger sidewall) means you will get more "flex" out of the tire which is important in cold weather, but again, one inch makes little difference (i.e. 18" vs. 19"). Same hold trues to going slightly wider in the rear. Yes, less physical contact w/ the snow reduces slippage (i.e. less surface area), but when you calculate how much of the tire actually makes contact w/ the road at any given point, you're talking about an increase of 3 square cm's. I would put my money on it that if you calculated braking distance between a 225 square setup vs. a 225+255 staggered setup w/ the exact same winter tire, the results would be almost identical.

To each their won. I've done research and have had extensive experience driving rear wheeled cars in teh winter. If the added expense is not an issue, then a staggered setup is totally fine.
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And in case anyone is interested in the price difference:

18" vs. 19" rims - would have saved $100 had I gone w/ an 18" version
Tires - would have been around $1350 for 18" staggered setup - would have saved about $250. Had I gone 225 all the way around, I think price would have been reduced by another $100.

All in - going 19" staggered vs. 18" 225 square is approx $450 more expensive for same rim style/tire type.
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Dude.. that's not a good idea... 19" 255's for winter will be bat-shit retarded.. I get the aesthetic appeal, but trust me.. go 225 square...
Thats what I thought!

I'm sticking with a square setup as I had a bad experience in snow once and dont want to repeat it.

Bananachipz,

What are you going to do this winter? Getting new tires or using a "winter-beater"...
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Thats what I thought!

I'm sticking with a square setup as I had a bad experience in snow once and dont want to repeat it.

Bananachipz,

What are you going to do this winter? Getting new tires or using a "winter-beater"...
Clearly no one is reading my response regarding the physics behind tires/traction. I'm sharing my view based on extensive research + professional opinion + personal experience.

Not trying to down play other's opinion's - but one person claiming that it would be "retarded" to drive w/ 19s + 255 w/ absolutely no support and subsequently gain such followership on here makes me seriously question how much knowledge people actually have on here. Opinion vs. fact - two very different things. I guess I'll keep my "facts" to myself.
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Clearly no one is reading my response regarding the physics behind tires/traction. I'm sharing my view based on extensive research + professional opinion + personal experience.

Not trying to down play other's opinion's - but one person claiming that it would be "retarded" to drive w/ 19s + 255 w/ absolutely no support and subsequently gain such followership on here makes me seriously question how much knowledge people actually have on here. Opinion vs. fact - two very different things. I guess I'll keep my "facts" to myself.
Bro,

Dont worry about it man.

You go ahead with the 19" staggered setup. I read your detailed explanation and clearly there's no difference in the setup you're talking about.

However for MY PERSONAL comfort, I'm going to stick with 18". Yes, my car's not gonna look as good as your's with the good looking 19" but I want to keep my mind happy and go with what I want.

Good luck bud!
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Bro,

Dont worry about it man.

You go ahead with the 19" staggered setup. I read your detailed explanation and clearly there's no difference in the setup you're talking about.

However for MY PERSONAL comfort, I'm going to stick with 18". Yes, my car's not gonna look as good as your's with the good looking 19" but I want to keep my mind happy and go with what I want.

Good luck bud!
fair enough
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In case anyone's interested to check (as a reference point)...

Audi' S4 (via headoffice) suggests the following winter tire setup:

245/40/18 square setup.

http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/o...l_offers.html#

So going 255 doesn't seem to be that "retarded" afterall (again, tire "width" is the question here). Staggered setup means nothing other than not being able to rotate your tires + cost. Yes, 19 will reduce tire "flex", but marginally so.

And before someone says ... "the audi is all wheel drive", all wheel drive does nothing for braking. That's ultimately what is the concern here.

Sorry for the ongoing responses here ... but so many times, people are led down the wrong path by one post here or there.
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In case anyone's interested to check (as a reference point)...

Audi' S4 (via headoffice) suggests the following winter tire setup:

245/40/18 square setup.

http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/o...l_offers.html#

So going 255 doesn't seem to be that "retarded" afterall (again, tire "width" is the question here). Staggered setup means nothing other than not being able to rotate your tires + cost. Yes, 19 will reduce tire "flex", but marginally so.

And before someone says ... "the audi is all wheel drive", all wheel drive does nothing for braking. That's ultimately what is the concern here.

Sorry for the ongoing responses here ... but so many times, people are led down the wrong path by one post here or there.
That's cool... you're probably right. I have my own extensive experience with big and wide winters, and they've scared the shit out of me. I may even go down to 17....

If anything, and winter is what it was last year - nonexistent - then we'll all be good
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