[pkim1079]

Originally Posted by hans007

i don't really see your point.

for $2500 for sport line, essentially you get a sport suspension, 18" rims, summer rated tires and most importantly the sports seats. you also get trim that doesnt look like plastic that was spray painted with silver paint.

i would imagine buying after market parts to replace all that will cost more than $2500, especially the seats.

i mean theres other cosmetic things , like having black headliner etc, that well if you want it you get. even the b pillar trim outside is glossy instead of flat black. i mean for $2500 it doesnt seem like a terrible deal unless you hate the rims that come with some of the lines.

A sport suspension that I still would not consider "sport"...maybe sport comfort?
18" wheels that I would essentially replace right away. But they do look nice.
Summer rated tires that are run flats....and would be destroyed on a couple track days and would need to be swapped (have swapped mine already).
I think the silver painted is the same cheap material as the sport trim....are they different? Weight savings?
Black headliner I could care less for.
Glossy b-pillar? You mean the ones that chip?
Only thing I like are the sport seats but I've tracked mine already and I did not experience any sliding around in my seat (I expected to be all over the place and was surprised - even on 3 wheels).

That would be $2500 that I saved and can be used towards real performance mods or track time.
I guess its all what the buyer wants but in the end I still don't understand.

You should come out to the autoX event on Nov 11 at california speedway and utilize those sport parts and I would like to see what all those parts do for performance gains - I mean really, marginal differences? These aren't M3's.

I see you are in CC, I'm in ktown - we can roll up there together. There are a couple others going in their F30s.

[bimmerjph]

The S models actually used to compete with the M3. And since many RS models don't make it to the states the S models do actually compete with the M3. Although they do it indirectly. And I am pretty sure that Audi had the S-Line BEFORE BMW came out with the M-Sport line, so its more like BMW had to create the M-Sport line.

S-Line and M-sport are both marketing BS (as far as naming is concerned) if you ask me.

[MaestroAl]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

The S-Line actually used to compete with the M3.

Man. Really? The S-Line is a trim option You can have any Audi with any engine with S-Line spec. It's the same as M-Sport, no more

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

Man. Really? The S-Line is a trim option You can have any Audi with any engine with S-Line spec. It's the same as M-Sport, no more

Sorry I meant the S-cars. My bad.

[MaestroAl]

There does seem to be a lot of confusion between the two I don't think the thread title helps

[pkim1079]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

There does seem to be a lot of confusion between the two I don't think the thread title helps

I think so....this is directly from AudiUSA in the Features and Options - Packages section....its only available on the prestige trim of ANY car.

S line package (n/a with PPT, 5MG, 7TL, 5MT, H7U, 4ET)
Sport suspension (-20mm ride height)
S line embossed Alcantara / Leather sport seats
19" 5-segment-spoke wheels with 255/35 summer tires
Brushed Aluminum decorative inlays
Headlight washer system
Black cloth headliner
S line front & rear bumper & door sills
3-spoke flat-bottom steering wheel (with shift paddles on auto)
Body-colored door sill blades (beneath doors)
Four-way power lumbar support for front seats

[MaestroAl]

It's a similar package over here but simply a trim level for any car. You can get SE, SE Technik, S-Line or Black Edition as trim options

[In addition to SE spec]
Sports suspension 20mm lower than Standard (S line suspension 30mm lower than Standard – available in lieu of Sports suspension at no charge)
18” x 8J ‘5-spoke’ S line design alloy wheels with 245/40 R18 tyres
3-spoke S line multi-function steering wheel (paddle shift for automatic models)
S line embossed Sports seats including electric lumbar support
Black headlining
Matt-brushed aluminium inlays
Perforated leather gear knob
S line sill plates
Sprint Cloth/leather upholstery in black with Jet grey stitching
Bumper ‘blade’ in Platinum optic
Chrome fog light surround
Chrome rolled exhaust
S line exterior styling package including:
– S line side skirts
– S line front bumper
– S line rear diffuser
– S line badges on wings
Rear LED lights
Xenon headlights with LED daytime-running lights
Roof spoiler
Option of black or silver stitching to upholstery, steering wheel, gearshift gaiters and floor mats

[howiegu]

Originally Posted by F30ftw

335i vs S4...
People think because its an "S" its a million times better, which its not... at all. I find it hilarious how the S competes with the 335i, not even the M3

What do you guys think?

Audi see Audi do, that's typical Audi. Kind of cute.

[pkim1079]

Originally Posted by howiegu

Audi see Audi do, that's typical Audi. Kind of cute.

I think there was an S4 before a 335? was it against the 330 of yesteryear?

[PGT]

the S4 came out in the mid 1990's.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

And I am pretty sure that Audi had the S-Line BEFORE BMW came out with the M-Sport line, so its more like BMW had to create the M-Sport line.

S-Line and M-sport are both marketing BS (as far as naming is concerned) if you ask me.

Nope, BMW came out with S models way back in the 3 series history. In E30 we had the 318iS, 325iS, etc they were same as 318i and 325i but with sporty styling tweaks, alcantara cloth, basket weave wheels, blacked out chrome, much like M Sport today. Audi copied the S and BMW moved on to M.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

A sport suspension that I still would not consider "sport"...maybe sport comfort?
18" wheels that I would essentially replace right away. But they do look nice.
Summer rated tires that are run flats....and would be destroyed on a couple track days and would need to be swapped (have swapped mine already).
I think the silver painted is the same cheap material as the sport trim....are they different? Weight savings?
Black headliner I could care less for.
Glossy b-pillar? You mean the ones that chip?
Only thing I like are the sport seats but I've tracked mine already and I did not experience any sliding around in my seat (I expected to be all over the place and was surprised - even on 3 wheels).

That would be $2500 that I saved and can be used towards real performance mods or track time.
I guess its all what the buyer wants but in the end I still don't understand.

You should come out to the autoX event on Nov 11 at california speedway and utilize those sport parts and I would like to see what all those parts do for performance gains - I mean really, marginal differences? These aren't M3's.

I see you are in CC, I'm in ktown - we can roll up there together. There are a couple others going in their F30s.

car won't arrive until like new years.... scheduled for production that week actaully. never autocrossed a car, do want to try it eventually.

as for the sport pack, well you are right all that stuff for a serious autox person is probably not that great compared to being able to pick your own stuff. the dash material on the lines is either wood or real metal so i guess there is a difference there by the way.

but yeah if you can get what you want for the $2500, well absolutely get what you want. i think basically the only thing i bothered ordering was the m-sport kit because i honestly like how it looks, plus its just sporty enough for me (that and i wanted the estoril blue paint), since im not like a serious autoX person or something, though who knows maybe i will get into it some day.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

In E30 we had the 318iS, 325iS, etc they were same as 318i and 325i but with sporty styling tweaks, alcantara cloth, basket weave wheels, blacked out chrome, much like M Sport today. Audi copied the S and BMW moved on to M.

E30 318iS had a DOHC 16v engine whereas the 318i had SOHC 8v. Don't thing there was a 325iS tho there was a 325i Sport, which has no "M" branding at all (tho "M" branded items such as steering wheel & bodykit are available as options or retrofits for the whole range). There was also a 320iS but that was only available in Italy & very few other EU markets. That was basically a 2.0 version of the M3 engine fitted to a regular E30 bodyshell. Again no M branded items on that car.
If I remember correctly the first cars to have M-sport as a package was back in 99/00 with the E39 & E38. Audi's S-Line package didn't appear until the early noughties on the B6 A4.

[Cfichman]

My lord only a few people in this entire thread actually understands the nomenclature. It seems that nobody is understanding the distinction between a s4 and an a4 2.0t s-line. People are using s-line for s cars interchangeably. S-line is essentially the same a msport, purely cosmetic.

[MaX PL]

yeh but which is the OP even referring to as he talks about the S4 in his post?

this whole thread is a mess.

[pkim1079]

Originally Posted by hans007

car won't arrive until like new years.... scheduled for production that week actaully. never autocrossed a car, do want to try it eventually.

as for the sport pack, well you are right all that stuff for a serious autox person is probably not that great compared to being able to pick your own stuff. the dash material on the lines is either wood or real metal so i guess there is a difference there by the way.

but yeah if you can get what you want for the $2500, well absolutely get what you want. i think basically the only thing i bothered ordering was the m-sport kit because i honestly like how it looks, plus its just sporty enough for me (that and i wanted the estoril blue paint), since im not like a serious autoX person or something, though who knows maybe i will get into it some day.

I'm gonna take you up on that! Be ready!

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

A sport suspension that I still would not consider "sport"...maybe sport comfort?
18" wheels that I would essentially replace right away. But they do look nice.
Summer rated tires that are run flats....and would be destroyed on a couple track days and would need to be swapped (have swapped mine already).
I think the silver painted is the same cheap material as the sport trim....are they different? Weight savings?
Black headliner I could care less for.
Glossy b-pillar? You mean the ones that chip?
Only thing I like are the sport seats but I've tracked mine already and I did not experience any sliding around in my seat (I expected to be all over the place and was surprised - even on 3 wheels).

That would be $2500 that I saved and can be used towards real performance mods or track time.
I guess its all what the buyer wants but in the end I still don't understand.

You should come out to the autoX event on Nov 11 at california speedway and utilize those sport parts and I would like to see what all those parts do for performance gains - I mean really, marginal differences? These aren't M3's.

I see you are in CC, I'm in ktown - we can roll up there together. There are a couple others going in their F30s.

Agreed, which is why I was trying to find a base F30 and negotiate on that...like a house, buying a car is about getting something with "good bones", ie the N55.

-Suspension: M Perf Suspension is $1089 at Steve Thomas BMW, installed probably $1500 total; interview with German dude about M parts said this was more performance oriented than the M Sport line.
-Brakes: M Perf Brakes are about $2100 from BMW dealer in MD, installed, $2500; same size/dimensions as potentially the next gen M3 brakes, so another one up there.
-Seats: that's where it's lacking, I do wish I had more bolsters, but I'm not tracking this thing, so...didn't matter to me.

I think the 335i [M Sport or one with above accessories] competes with an S4, which I considered heavily when looking at cars. But I saved nearly $15,000 getting a base 335i. After investing $4k for brakes and suspension (listed above) AND spending $2k on a Dinan/PPK tune, I'll be stomping on S4's and possibly RS4's...

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by MaX PL

yeh but which is the OP even referring to as he talks about the S4 in his post?

this whole thread is a mess.

Its pretty obvious from reading his original post that the OP knows very little Audi, he doesn’t even the know the difference between the S-line and the S4. People find things silly because they know very little about it.

[midnight express]

Originally Posted by The X Men

Its pretty obvious from reading his original post that the OP knows very little Audi, he doesn’t even the know the difference between the S-line and the S4. People find things silly because they know very little about it.

i think youre the one who doesnt know anything about audi, the "S"4 is part of the "S" line... i only started this thread because when people see a 335 and an s4 next to each other, people think its comparing a lambo to a honda

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by F30ftw

i think youre the one who doesnt know anything about audi, the "S"4 is part of the "S" line

Can someone please explain the difference between a S4 and a S-line model to him.

[jtuds]

Originally Posted by F30ftw

335i vs S4...
People think because its an "S" its a million times better, which its not... at all. I find it hilarious how the S competes with the 335i, not even the M3

What do you guys think?

I think you need to learn the letter R, as in RS.

Are you saying Audi can't figure out how to add horsepower to their cars, so they can only get an S4 up to 320hp and therefore have no choice to compete with the 335i?

Yeah, it's hilarious.

Originally Posted by PGT

Umm, no. S Line is a trim level, like "Sport" for BMW. The S models like S3, S4, S5, S6, S7 and S8 are distinct models that have upgraded drivetrains and suspension and generally come about a year or so after a model update. The RS models are the ones that come last.....generally only for a year or two as they're pretty special.

S-line is not a trim level. You can buy a A4 S-line. It has more power. The S4 and the S-line are not the same thing. S-line is like Audi's version of a M sport package, except that it actually adds power.

See....not a S4...an A4 S-line

F30ftw comes on here shitting on another brand's car and doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about. Oh right, it's the internet.

[pkim1079]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

Agreed, which is why I was trying to find a base F30 and negotiate on that...like a house, buying a car is about getting something with "good bones", ie the N55.

-Suspension: M Perf Suspension is $1089 at Steve Thomas BMW, installed probably $1500 total; interview with German dude about M parts said this was more performance oriented than the M Sport line.
-Brakes: M Perf Brakes are about $2100 from BMW dealer in MD, installed, $2500; same size/dimensions as potentially the next gen M3 brakes, so another one up there.
-Seats: that's where it's lacking, I do wish I had more bolsters, but I'm not tracking this thing, so...didn't matter to me.

I think the 335i [M Sport or one with above accessories] competes with an S4, which I considered heavily when looking at cars. But I saved nearly $15,000 getting a base 335i. After investing $4k for brakes and suspension (listed above) AND spending $2k on a Dinan/PPK tune, I'll be stomping on S4's and possibly RS4's...

Smart man. Those labor costs you are getting quoted are pretty awesome. They are so expensive out here that I end up doing all the wrenching myself. I need a garage with a hydraulic lift.