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      10-23-2012, 03:48 PM   #89
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Basically, Roki has the superior car. Can we have some m3 guys chime in and bash the 335s? Not like its some super car or THAT much better than a 328. Gees.
i am not bashing the 328 at all, i said i dint like / understand when ppl say thast its much lighter as if it was a difference of 500 lbs,
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You dont feel the difference from driving alone vs with a passenger? You may need to recalibrate the butt dyno.
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You dont feel the difference from driving alone vs with a passenger? You may need to recalibrate the butt dyno.
man i dont know how heavy ur passengers are , for me most of the time its a girl around 120 lb, the only time i notice is when I go with my cowokers and i have 3 passengers
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i meant in every day driving for a regular person to notice a difference of 150 lb would be almost impossible
That is true.

The old adage was that 100lbs of weight off a car equals 10hp.

So in this case, we are talking 15hp. Luckily the crank difference between the two cars is about 45-55.
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      10-23-2012, 04:05 PM   #94
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I really hate when ppl here say that 328 is lighter, i really wonder if anyone could notice the difference of 145 lb in regular city/highway driving, that difference of 145lb doesn't do shit for regular driving, the only difference you would notice if you didnt know what you were driving would be the sound of the engine, exhaust and the power and not 145 lb
well uh isnt the power kind of wasted if its dragging an extra 150-200 pounds (if you get a 328i without a sunroof thats another 50 lbs).

i mean itll sound great, but its got to do more . that most of the point people make on the whole, the 335i weigh a lot more so some of its power advantage gets used up. kind of the same point with the activehybrid3 and having to drag its batteries around.


now im not saying i'd really notice. like, i had 2 friends, one bought a C300 and the other bought a C350 (Current generation) and the guy with the C350 claims he could tell the 40 hp difference (mind you in this case the cars even weigh the same) and i dont think any of us could tell at all.

so if you can't hear the i-6 , its going to be hard to tell between a 328i and a 335i (lets say 15-20 of the 335's extra power makes up for the weight and maybe you have 40hp left after adjusting for weight difference) regardless unless you are going over say 90mph.

i mean we are talking power to weight ratio for all these cars. i guess it all depends on how sensitive you are to changes in that ratio.
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Why would any 328i owner want to trick people into thinking that he's driving a heavier, slower car made in Africa? It's the other way around. 335i owners would debadge so that others think they're driving the lighter, faster car made in Germany.

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Where does this Africa statement keep coming from? any US bound 335 is made in Germany, Munich to be percise. other parts of the world, yes it might be made in South Africa. (and pretty soon all 3 series going to the US will be made in either Mexico or Brazil, so you might want to consider switching to Audi, Mercedes is built in Alabama...)

and the 328i being faster? not sure what world you are living in, but your "luxury line" 328i is not faster than any 335i, straight line or on a track.

the 328 i4 is a GREAT engine, offers great performance and fuel economy, I am not knocking it at all, and the 335i is only a few grand more. I believe its a choice of economy versus a little extra power. And yes you can tell the difference. I test drove both engines and could feel the difference, especially when going 20-30 and hitting the gas hard.

Ask anyone who doesn't own a BMW what they think when they see a BMW without the numbers on the back and 90% of them will say the same thing "its someone trying to hide that they don't have a more expensive BMW". I guess in the original post I should have stated it wasn't just an engine thing, but a lot of people perceive it as someone wanting others to think they have a 5 series for instance when its a 3 series (especially with how big the 3 series is now, ).

and as others have stated, who cares, do what you want, aren't these threads for entertainment purposes, I think the fact that there are 5 pages of responses in a very short time proves they are Why do you think I started it! As I stated before I might debadge the xdrive because it looks out of place on the trunk now, but to me a totally bare trunk doesn't look right either, in my head a BMW should have the numbers on the right, not to show off what you have but because thats just the iconic BMW look.

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Mako Where does this Africa statement keep coming from? any US bound 335 is made in Germany, Munich to be percise. other parts of the world, yes it might be made in South Africa.

The majority of 335i's are being made in South Africa these days. In other forums there are discussions about being assigned SA allocation numbers and walking away for months to get one from Germany instead.

and the 328i being faster? not sure what world you are living in, but your "luxury line" 328i is not faster than any 335i, straight line or on a track.

I've never been on a track. In a straight line, I top out at 85 MPH in a 65 zone. But on local streets, where I do 90% of my driving, when next to a 335i at a traffic light, it goes green, WHOOOOSH, my 328i beats the spit out of the 335i every time. Numbers support this. Plenty of reviews out there confirming this isn't some mirage.

the 328 i4 is a GREAT engine, offers great performance and fuel economy, I am not knocking it at all, and the 335i is only a few grand more. I believe its a choice of economy versus a little extra power. And yes you can tell the difference. I test drove both engines and could feel the difference, especially when going 20-30 and hitting the gas hard.

That's your imagination. Perhaps you didn't hit the Sport button on the 328i.

Ask anyone who doesn't own a BMW what they think when they see a BMW without the numbers on the back and 90% of them will say the same thing "its someone trying to hide that they don't have a more expensive BMW". I guess in the original post I should have stated it wasn't just an engine thing, but a lot of people perceive it as someone wanting others to think they have a 5 series for instance when its a 3 series especially with how big the 3 series is now,

I don't live in a world where people de-badge so I can't comment on it.

and as others have stated, who cares, do what you want, aren't these threads for entertainment purposes, I think the fact that there are 5 pages of responses in a very short time proves they are

Exactly. And pointing out South African performance cars to South African performance car owners is pretty damned entertaining.

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here we go new argument according to BJ 328 is faster than 335
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here we go new argument according to BJ 328 is faster than 335
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yes the 335i without a rear badge is impersonating a M3 :-)
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a) I didn't.
b) Apples-to-apples, its about a $3k delta. On a $50k car, that amounts to 2-3 less Starbucks visits a month. If one can afford a 328, one can afford a 335. Not that I'm speaking for other people of course.
That, of course, only holds true if one goes to Starbucks at all. $3,000 is a lot of money. I don't care who you are. Unless I'm giving it to charity, I'm going to want to know that the $3,000 dollars extra were worth it. "Worth it," means it is worth sacrificing a small space cushion for something extra or something necessary. And hey, maybe Starbucks is worth it to me.

328i xDrive Sport loaded = $59,345
335i xDrive Sport loaded = $63,545

That's $4,200. And living in a state with 10% sales tax:

328i xDrive Sport loaded = $65,280
335i xDrive Sport loaded = $69,900

That's $4,620. I'm sorry, but over four and a half thousand dollars only becomes a smaller sum when it is equal to less than 1% of annual income...after taxes.

Your argument stands in the wrong place. It shouldn't be "I can afford X so I can afford X+Y." It's more important to recognize that I can afford a nice car (however should it be spec'd) AND all the necessary bills, coverage, expenses, premiums, and incidentals that may befall me. As well, if I spend about $4,500 on gas each year, there might not be $4,500 more included in the budget for a car that achieves supposedly worse fuel economy, widening the gap between 28i and 35i even more.

And if I were in the market for a 3 series, it would most certainly be a 35i. But I wouldn't order it until I knew it was in my budget. Disposable income does not mean waste income.
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[b]I've never been on a track. In a straight line, I top out at 85 MPH in a 65 zone. But on local streets, where I do 90% of my driving, when next to a 335i at a traffic light, it goes green, WHOOOOSH, my 328i beats the spit out of the 335i every time. Numbers support this. Plenty of reviews out there confirming this isn't some mirage.

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Of course it might be more meaningful if the person in the 335i was actually interested in racing you...

Out of curiosity, how many mirrors do you own?
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Of course it might be more meaningful if the person in the 335i was actually interested in racing you...

Out of curiosity, how many mirrors do you own?
Be careful, don't fall into the trap of replying to a BJ post....this thread will explode to 35 pages in 24 hours!
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Can't all these F30`s just get along....

And and equal 335 was $6k more same equipment..that over $100 more a month for the bigger engine and gas will be $5 a gallon in 2013
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Out of curiosity, how many mirrors do you own?
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That, of course, only holds true if one goes to Starbucks at all. $3,000 is a lot of money. I don't care who you are. Unless I'm giving it to charity, I'm going to want to know that the $3,000 dollars extra were worth it. "Worth it," means it is worth sacrificing a small space cushion for something extra or something necessary. And hey, maybe Starbucks is worth it to me.

328i xDrive Sport loaded = $59,345
335i xDrive Sport loaded = $63,545

That's $4,200. And living in a state with 10% sales tax:

328i xDrive Sport loaded = $65,280
335i xDrive Sport loaded = $69,900

That's $4,620. I'm sorry, but over four and a half thousand dollars only becomes a smaller sum when it is equal to less than 1% of annual income...after taxes.

Your argument stands in the wrong place. It shouldn't be "I can afford X so I can afford X+Y." It's more important to recognize that I can afford a nice car (however should it be spec'd) AND all the necessary bills, coverage, expenses, premiums, and incidentals that may befall me. As well, if I spend about $4,500 on gas each year, there might not be $4,500 more included in the budget for a car that achieves supposedly worse fuel economy, widening the gap between 28i and 35i even more.

And if I were in the market for a 3 series, it would most certainly be a 35i. But I wouldn't order it until I knew it was in my budget. Disposable income does not mean waste income.
in theory its even more.

since the 335i comes standard with xenons and moonroof, you at least have the option of buying a 328i without them. so maybe another $1500 savings if you dont care about either .

so potentially ~6k ish. i personally ordered my car without the moonroof (thus no premium or a la carte moonroof) and just got the xenons. i mean this isnt an affordability issue for most people who can afford a 328i (if you can you probably can afford a 335i as people have said with the latte comment). its a , well i'd rather spend that $5-6k on something else issue.

i mean in the end, if you had to choose a 328i + your lattes, or a 335i + no lattes well the choice is yours.
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in theory its even more.

since the 335i comes standard with xenons and moonroof, you at least have the option of buying a 328i without them. so maybe another $1500 savings if you dont care about either .

so potentially ~6k ish. i personally ordered my car without the moonroof (thus no premium or a la carte moonroof) and just got the xenons. i mean this isnt an affordability issue for most people who can afford a 328i (if you can you probably can afford a 335i as people have said with the latte comment). its a , well i'd rather spend that $5-6k on something else issue.

i mean in the end, if you had to choose a 328i + your lattes, or a 335i + no lattes well the choice is yours.
The way I see it, if you have to make a sacrifice in your daily lifestyle in order to afford a luxury product, you can't afford it to begin with. It's 335i + lattes, or no 335i at all.
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Out of curiosity, how many mirrors do you own?
The 328i has 5 mirrors.

They're all made in Germany.

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perhaps I can put it another way. For a set amount of money spent, a 328i with options > 335 with none for us. Or, maybe $4200 (+tax) isn't really that big of a deal to us when stretched across monthly payments.

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perhaps I can put it another way. For a set amount of money spent, a 328i with options > 335 with none for us. Or, maybe $4200 (+tax) isn't really that big of a deal to us when stretched across monthly payments.

this thread has gone full retard.
Just trying to keep you along more socially appropriate lines.
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