[ES_TRADER]

Best price I got so far is at invoice. Loyalty credit of 750 puts me 750 below but I was wondering anyone getting prices below inv w/o loyalty cash?

[E36toF30]

Are you saying before incentives, and including dealer fees? If so, then I'd say definitely not.

[EnerJi]

Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

Best price I got so far is at invoice. Loyalty credit of 750 puts me 750 below but I was wondering anyone getting prices below inv w/o loyalty cash?

What dealer fees are you being charged? Is this for a 328 or 335?

[ES_TRADER]

Originally Posted by E36toF30

Are you saying before incentives, and including dealer fees? If so, then I'd say definitely not.

Yes

[EnerJi]

Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

Yes

2012 or 2013? Does it have any miles on it (i.e. was it used as a dealer demo?) 328 or 335? Is it a non-standard or otherwise "odd" config or an ugly color? These details matter when comparing prices...

If you're talking brand new 2013 <10 miles with $0 dealer fees, then I'd say that's a fabulous deal for a 328.

No one (that I've seen) has come close to invoice on a 335, although a few claim to have hit $500 over.

[PGT]

I got $4k off my $52k MSRP. No haggling (USAA price)

[Tsuvoi]

I would be happy to pay $500 over ED invoice for a 335i ED....... Well if someone knows a dealer that likes an effortless sale around the SE PA area let me know!!!

[ES_TRADER]

Originally Posted by EnerJi

2012 or 2013? Does it have any miles on it (i.e. was it used as a dealer demo?) 328 or 335? Is it a non-standard or otherwise "odd" config or an ugly color? These details matter when comparing prices...

If you're talking brand new 2013 <10 miles with $0 dealer fees, then I'd say that's a fabulous deal for a 328.

No one (that I've seen) has come close to invoice on a 335, although a few claim to have hit $500 over.

For a brand new ORDERED 335i. I'm getting Invoice on it. 2013 model.

After my loyalty credit it would be 750 below invoice. But i was wondering if I could get like 500-1000 below invoice and stack my 750 ontop of it to net like 1750 below invoice...something like that...anyone getting these kinda deals?

reason i ask is i did it for my X5...after incentives and dealer discount, i netted 2000 below invoice for it. 2013 model ordered.

[E36toF30]

Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

For a brand new ORDERED 335i. I'm getting Invoice on it. 2013 model.

After my loyalty credit it would be 750 below invoice. But i was wondering if I could get like 500-1000 below invoice and stack my 750 ontop of it to net like 1750 below invoice...something like that...anyone getting these kinda deals?

reason i ask is i did it for my X5...after incentives and dealer discount, i netted 2000 below invoice for it. 2013 model ordered.

I think you just answered your own question. You got the X5 below invoice, but that was after incentives were applied. No dealer is going to sell you a relatively in demand car like a 335i for below invoice before incentives are applied. They have to make a profit somehow...

[darksilkx1]

Originally Posted by ft1337

I would be happy to pay $500 over ED invoice for a 335i ED....... Well if someone knows a dealer that likes an effortless sale around the SE PA area let me know!!!

I would suggest you search this forum for username GOLFRR

[Tsuvoi]

Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

For a brand new ORDERED 335i. I'm getting Invoice on it. 2013 model.

After my loyalty credit it would be 750 below invoice. But i was wondering if I could get like 500-1000 below invoice and stack my 750 ontop of it to net like 1750 below invoice...something like that...anyone getting these kinda deals?

reason i ask is i did it for my X5...after incentives and dealer discount, i netted 2000 below invoice for it. 2013 model ordered.

Ok let me clarify this. You got INVOICE? I mean, where is the dealer profit in this? I can see how at $500 over invoice they make a $500 profit for filling out some forms but at dead invoice? Curious to know if there is anything I've missed in BMW's pricing structure... Unless you didn't speak of the extra dealer fees you got hit with.

[Tsuvoi]

Originally Posted by darksilkx1

I would suggest you search this forum for username GOLFRR

Who is this guy? There is no member going by that name.

EDIT: Ok found him, you meant "GOLFFRR". This is a dealership in CA, I wanted to avoid PCD after ED if at all possible...

[ES_TRADER]

Originally Posted by darksilkx1

I would suggest you search this forum for username GOLFRR

I know who he is, i bought 3 cars from him already back in 2011

[ES_TRADER]

Originally Posted by E36toF30

I think you just answered your own question. You got the X5 below invoice, but that was after incentives were applied. No dealer is going to sell you a relatively in demand car like a 335i for below invoice before incentives are applied. They have to make a profit somehow...

No, maybe there is a misunderstanding.

I got my X5 1000 BELOW invoice. This was BEFORE any coupons were applied. I called the dealers fleet mgr. Told him straight up, ill pay u 1000 below invoice for a 2013 x5. If yes, i come now to sign papers. He said OK.

Then when i got there, i told him i had a 1000 coupon. He was like ok..done..2k below.

Then i applied the $1000 drive for Team USA and NET was $2000 BELOW invoice.

So im wondering, is anyone getting the f30 below invoice? Best price i got so far is Right AT Invoice, no dealer fees and such. just invoice. hope that makes sense.

[SamS]

There should be a big difference in "deals" on 328i's vs. 335i. I personally think it would be tough to get a 335i at invoice + $500, given the lack of allocations.

[ES_TRADER]

Originally Posted by ft1337

Ok let me clarify this. You got INVOICE? I mean, where is the dealer profit in this? I can see how at $500 over invoice they make a $500 profit for filling out some forms but at dead invoice? Curious to know if there is anything I've missed in BMW's pricing structure... Unless you didn't speak of the extra dealer fees you got hit with.

YES I got AT INVOICE. Dealers cost is not really invoice you know that right? there's hold backs and other incentives rebate they get depending on how many units they move.. Dealer invoice is just an estimate...it varies from dealer to dealer...Getting a car AT invoice doesn't mean they make no money. They still make money and still make money selling BELOW invoice. its just a marketing tactic

[Tsuvoi]

Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

YES I got AT INVOICE. Dealers cost is not really invoice you know that right? there's hold backs and other incentives rebate they get depending on how many units they move.. Dealer invoice is just an estimate...it varies from dealer to dealer...Getting a car AT invoice doesn't mean they make no money. They still make money and still make money selling BELOW invoice. its just a marketing tactic

No didn't know that. That's because everyone says BMW has no dealer incentive so I assumed that it was invoice + profit. That's what they say at Bimmerpost but that forum is sponsored by dealers so what can I say?

I just want to know whether the dealer BSes me when comes the time for the pulling of the kids card ("I have kids to feed")

[ES_TRADER]

Originally Posted by ft1337

No didn't know that. That's because everyone says BMW has no dealer incentive so I assumed that it was invoice + profit. That's what they say at Bimmerpost but that forum is sponsored by dealers so what can I say?

I just want to know whether the dealer BSes me when comes the time for the pulling of the kids card ("I have kids to feed")

here is one way.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/dealer-holdback/

"This holdback amount is "invisible" to the consumer because it does not appear as an itemized fee on the window sticker. For example, let's say you're interested in a Chevrolet with a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $20,500, including optional equipment and a $500 destination charge. Let's also say that dealer invoice on this hypothetical Chevy is $18,000. The cost of the car includes a dealer holdback that, in the case of all Chevy vehicles, amounts to 3% of the MSRP, or $600. (Note that the $500 destination charge should not be included when computing the holdback.) So, on this particular Chevy, the true dealer cost is actually $17,400. Even if the dealer sells you the car for the invoice price, which is unlikely, he would still be making as much as $600 on the deal (when his quarterly check from GM arrives)."

[Tsuvoi]

Originally Posted by SamS

There should be a big difference in "deals" on 328i's vs. 335i. I personally think it would be tough to get a 335i at invoice + $500, given the lack of allocations.

This is ED bro, no allocation.

[Tsuvoi]

Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

here is one way.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/dealer-holdback/

"This holdback amount is "invisible" to the consumer because it does not appear as an itemized fee on the window sticker. For example, let's say you're interested in a Chevrolet with a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $20,500, including optional equipment and a $500 destination charge. Let's also say that dealer invoice on this hypothetical Chevy is $18,000. The cost of the car includes a dealer holdback that, in the case of all Chevy vehicles, amounts to 3% of the MSRP, or $600. (Note that the $500 destination charge should not be included when computing the holdback.) So, on this particular Chevy, the true dealer cost is actually $17,400. Even if the dealer sells you the car for the invoice price, which is unlikely, he would still be making as much as $600 on the deal (when his quarterly check from GM arrives)."

I've seen that page before. Straight from the link: "BMW No holdback"

[SamS]

Originally Posted by ft1337

This is ED bro, no allocation.

Then for ED, you should be able to get much closer to ED Invoice pricing.

BTW, you should do PCD + ED. Totally different experiences, and both totally worth it!

[Tsuvoi]

Originally Posted by SamS

Then for ED, you should be able to get much closer to ED Invoice pricing.

BTW, you should do PCD + ED. Totally different experiences, and both totally worth it!

I know everyone says to do PCD but I don't have that kinda time...