[tizzyd]

so, just to be clear....there is no m-sport braking system option for the us? even though bmw was bragging how they left out fog lights for us spec cars for improved brake cooling since we track our cars more? if we need more cooling, shouldn't we theoretically need better brakes as well? the only reason for not offering it in the us i can think of is because they want to charge us out the ass for the bmw m performance braking system....

[Crumbs]

M-Sport brakes are an option ask your CA, they can be either factory, port or dealer installed.

[JamesMA]

I am comfortable that M-Sport Brakes were NOT an option in the US when I ordered my car in mid-May (I chased this one down). There are quite a few threads on this topic.

Does anyone know if this has changed?

I am being told that if you opt for the M Performance exhaust, it will be installed at the port after arrival in the states.

As far as the M Performance Brakes are concerned, they were only available as a Dealer installed option (still "pre-delivery" so fully new car warranty) when I ordered in May. I would not be surprised if this is changed to something which can be installed at the Port, but I do not know if that has changed as well.

[bmrm396]

I'm holding out thinkin that they just haven't offered msport brakes in the US yet until they can keep up with demand. Sorta like they delay ordering the msport packages until production smoothes out ... that my hope

[zamm3k]

Originally Posted by JamesMA

I am comfortable that M-Sport Brakes were NOT an option in the US when I ordered my car in mid-May (I chased this one down). There are quite a few threads on this topic.

Does anyone know if this has changed?

I am being told that if you opt for the M Performance exhaust, it will be installed at the port after arrival in the states.

As far as the M Performance Brakes are concerned, they were only available as a Dealer installed option (still "pre-delivery" so fully new car warranty) when I ordered in May. I would not be surprised if this is changed to something which can be installed at the Port, but I do not know if that has changed as well.

how much more are you charged for getting the M Sport Brakes?

[Carjack]

Originally Posted by zamm3k

how much more are you charged for getting the M Sport Brakes?

In the UK when ordered with new motor its £570 or about $885.
Appears to be v. good value. On my ordered M-Sport 320D should fill the
18" wheels very nicely!

[E34]

Originally Posted by zamm3k

how much more are you charged for getting the M Sport Brakes?

In Canada 2NH M Sport Brakes are only $350cdn

Now BMW NA and CA how about those Alacantara/Cloth M Sport Seats? must we beg?

[johnbmw6]

Originally Posted by Carjack

In the UK when ordered with new motor its £570 or about $885.
Appears to be v. good value. On my ordered M-Sport 320D should fill the
18" wheels very nicely!

Yep I ordered the "Brake upgrade" for my 330D M Sport touring, should look cool.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by 328Marbles

In Canada 2NH M Sport Brakes are only $350cdn

That's cos for NA-spec 328i M-sport, 2NH only gives u the standard system from 335i (plus blue calipers).

[clarence]

Originally Posted by Carjack

In the UK when ordered with new motor its £570 or about $885.
Appears to be v. good value. On my ordered M-Sport 320D should fill the
18" wheels very nicely!

It means u're going from 300mm discs all round to 370mm/345mm plus the associated fixed calipers.

[BMWCali]

Yes, it's available. It's installed at the VPC before it gets to the dealer. It's a $3,000 option for the complete M Performance Braking System.

[zamm3k]

Originally Posted by BMWCali

Yes, it's available. It's installed at the VPC before it gets to the dealer. It's a $3,000 option for the complete M Performance Braking System.

How can it be so expensive? Basically there's not way to get some nice M Calipers without paying 3000.

Don't get me wrong, I like the better performance and look they'll offer, but if the option really does cost 3000, that's a hefty price to pay.

[lukeb817]

Originally Posted by BMWCali

Yes, it's available. It's installed at the VPC before it gets to the dealer. It's a $3,000 option for the complete M Performance Braking System.

I think the OP is referring to the blue M Sport brakes which appear to be available on M Sport models (for a small charge) in every market except the US, not the red, orange, or yellow M Performance brakes with partially drilled and slotted rotors and more substantial rear caliper. Those can be added to any US order to be installed at the VPC, I added them to my order for $2,295. The OP's theory makes sense-- maybe they arent offering the blue M Sport brakes in the US for $900ish so that they can get more people to order the M Performance brakes for $2,295.

[zamm3k]

Originally Posted by lukeb817

I think the OP is referring to the blue M Sport brakes which appear to be available on M Sport models (for a small charge) in every market except the US, not the red, orange, or yellow M Performance brakes with partially drilled and slotted rotors and more substantial rear caliper. Those can be added to any US order to be installed at the VPC, I added them to my order for $2,295. The OP's theory makes sense-- maybe they arent offering the blue M Sport brakes in the US for $900ish so that they can get more people to order the M Performance brakes for $2,295.

Could be. But I would think they make more money off of charging a premium for colored brake calipers as opposed selling you hardware (Calipers, bigger rotors, etc).

Sometimes I really can't understand BMWNA's decisions. Some of them simply make no sense at all, and this is one of them.

[achopra]

Do you guys want the M-Sport brakes for the track ? because they look cool ? because the standard brakes suck and are not safe enough for spirited drivers? or all of the above ?

I ask because I go on a weekly spirited drive through windy county roads and give my car's a good workout. Will the standard brakes be good enough or should I invest in the M-sport brakes ?

I am picking up my 335i Msport ED on Aug 27

[verbs]

Originally Posted by tizzyd

so, just to be clear....there is no m-sport braking system option for the us? even though bmw was bragging how they left out fog lights for us spec cars for improved brake cooling since we track our cars more? if we need more cooling, shouldn't we theoretically need better brakes as well? the only reason for not offering it in the us i can think of is because they want to charge us out the ass for the bmw m performance braking system....

First off, BMW was not "bragging" about the need for more cooling, and maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything from BMW about the need to do remove foglights because we "tracked our cars more." We had a huge discussion on the foglights on this board, and it seemed everyone was of the understanding it was done due to the warmer weather that many parts of the United States have, warmer than many other parts of the world....i.e. it was weather related and had nothing to do with track frequency.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by lukeb817

I think the OP is referring to the blue M Sport brakes which appear to be available on M Sport models (for a small charge) in every market except the US, not the red, orange, or yellow M Performance brakes with partially drilled and slotted rotors and more substantial rear caliper.

The M-sport brake (2NH) for all ROW M-sports & US-spec 335i M-sport is identical to the M-performance system save for the slotted rotors. It is indeed very good value for money as it costs less than 1/3 of the M-performance system if fitted by dealer.

[crowed]

Originally Posted by verbs

First off, BMW was not "bragging" about the need for more cooling, and maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything from BMW about the need to do remove foglights because we "tracked our cars more." We had a huge discussion on the foglights on this board, and it seemed everyone was of the understanding it was done due to the warmer weather that many parts of the United States have, warmer than many other parts of the world....i.e. it was weather related and had nothing to do with track frequency.

Actually, I believe there was a FAQ session with someone from BMW stating the decision was due to both warmer climates and increased track use in the US (which, of course, is endlessly funny.)

Excerpt below:

No fog lights on the M Sport for the US, why?
The US has a greater range of climates then Europe and US drivers take their car to the track more then their European counterparts. To make sure the F30 M Sport can perform in all US conditions the fog lights were removed to increase cooling air to the radiators, intercooler and oil cooler.

[Crumbs]

MSport Brakes are a VPC installed option my CA told me the price i remeber it being ~$650 definitely was a 6 as the first digit of the price.

[verbs]

Originally Posted by crowed

Actually, I believe there was a FAQ session with someone from BMW stating the decision was due to both warmer climates and increased track use in the US (which, of course, is endlessly funny.)

Excerpt below:

Interesting. Either way I don't think BMW was "bragging" about anything....

The 335i is a horrible tracking car IMO. You want a tracking car get the M3. The differential in the 335i is not ideal....and the intercoolers/cooling on these cars historically are not big enough for extended WOT application....

[tizzyd]

Originally Posted by verbs

Interesting. Either way I don't think BMW was "bragging" about anything....

The 335i is a horrible tracking car IMO. You want a tracking car get the M3. The differential in the 335i is not ideal....and the intercoolers/cooling on these cars historically are not big enough for extended WOT application....

maybe bragging was a strong word....

I have had my 335i on the track at VIR and Mid Ohio, I think the car does fantastic. Never has overheated on me/never noticed any heat soak, extremely stable and predictable, not to mention the torque is so usable everywhere on the track (I could do a whole lap of VIR full in 4th). Also, the top end on the N55 is awesome, I was easily keeping up with E46 M3s on the straights. All of my instructors that have driven my car are always so surprised how good it is on the track. You do have a point with the lack of a LSD, but I never notice it unless im in 2nd flooring it out of a low-speed corner, there usually is enough grip everywhere else so I don't notice it (mind you this is on the OEM bridgestone runflats, I can't wait to see how my new michelin pilot super sports do). So, long in short, I would take your car to the track....you may be blown away like I was

[verbs]

Originally Posted by tizzyd

maybe bragging was a strong word....

I have had my 335i on the track at VIR and Mid Ohio, I think the car does fantastic. Never has overheated on me/never noticed any heat soak, extremely stable and predictable, not to mention the torque is so usable everywhere on the track (I could do a whole lap of VIR full in 4th). Also, the top end on the N55 is awesome, I was easily keeping up with E46 M3s on the straights. All of my instructors that have driven my car are always so surprised how good it is on the track. You do have a point with the lack of a LSD, but I never notice it unless im in 2nd flooring it out of a low-speed corner, there usually is enough grip everywhere else so I don't notice it (mind you this is on the OEM bridgestone runflats, I can't wait to see how my new michelin pilot super sports do). So, long in short, I would take your car to the track....you may be blown away like I was

This is where I disagree. I noticed after the first WOT application that each subsequent one has the car making less power. I can even feel it, especially in warm weather. A number of people have tested the intercoolers on these cars and they're not great....and do struggle to keep air cool after an initial WOT run.

The top end of N55s I actually find to be poor. The N55s fall flat on their face at higher rpms, moreso than N54 motors did (I used to own an N54 335i).

I've also owned a few cars that pull very well at the top end..... all the way to the redline....Cadillac CTS-V, E60 BMW M5, heavily modified Camaro that revved to 7400rpms and made peak power at 6800rpms, etc....

On those cars you can just feel the car getting stronger as the RPMs increase, and they don't let up. I can actually feel the power tapering off/flattening out in the upper RPM ranges on the N55.