[Ghost335]

New 4 series that can tow my motorcycles- !!!!!!

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by aajami

That's... exactly what he said.

Oh I guess thats what I get for skimming. lol

[HotIce]

It's wider then the e92/e93. Me likey.

[positiveions]

doesn't look too bad.

[Rossifumi]

Originally Posted by Ka razy

Who is ever gonna use there 3 series for towing?

What is wrong with towing with a 3er?

[Peahi]

I need that wrap...I bet if I put that on my car and drove around LA, I'd have a jillion cars chasing me.

Add LED strips and M logos everywhere, and we're in business!

[Propagator]

So the sperm whale hump on the hood lives on huh.

[remmib]

Looks really low on the front.

[hks786]

Front end does look low. Overall I like the new direction with the F30 but sometimes when I see it I think the the front end looks too low compared to the rest of the car and I think the grilles stick out too much. However, I will reserve judgement till I see official pics of the 4 series coupe. I remember seeing E92 spypics and thinking it looked too long.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by Jason

...
The closeup image of the hood and front end also reveals extra camouflage panels on top the hood (on each side) which give the false impression of a more bulbous and raised hood.

Originally Posted by Propagator

So the sperm whale hump on the hood lives on huh.

I just love it when people ignore the OP!

[shvydkist]

Love it. Meanwhile, why are we towing with a coupe car? I'm guessing to strain the power train to expose any possible noise, jerkiness issues?

Originally Posted by JDy80

I know its only camouflage, but seeing that face instantly made me think of this.


See the resemblance..

[ATX78703]

I dont know if it s just the camo, but this thing looks freakin big. Do you think it will ride on the same 110.6"
Wheelbase as the f30, or will it be shortened to 108" or so? I know the a5 rides on a 2" shorter wheelbase compared to the a4, and the 6er is 4" shorter than the f10.

[///M3AN]

Originally Posted by KPK2003

Is it just me, or is the coupe pulling a camper trailer in the first 4 pictures???

+1

It is definitely pulling a camper.....lol

[Howowcanigo]

Originally Posted by hks786

Front end does look low. Overall I like the new direction with the F30 but sometimes when I see it I think the the front end looks too low compared to the rest of the car and I think the grilles stick out too much. However, I will reserve judgement till I see official pics of the 4 series coupe. I remember seeing E92 spypics and thinking it looked too long.

That's probably partially because it's on a slope and the pictures where taken close to the ground on the top or even over the top of that bump.
But I think it's also a bit lower than production vehicles will be.

The kidney grills/look of the nose reminds me of the i8 concept & z4.

Howow

[Levi]

Actual E92 rides on the same wheelbase as E90. I guess it will be the same for F32.

[rconti]

Originally Posted by WW335

Because Audi has a A5/S5 which they sell for a premium over the A4/S4 even though its the same car(pretty much), so this is BMW's chance to do the same. Call it a 4 series and increase the mark-up of the coupe over the sedan!

The 4-series (and, more recently, 2 series) name change has been rumored for.. what seems like a decade, at least. You might have a point that they can charge a bit more of a premium now.

I'm curious to see how this car looks. The E46 seems about as big as BMW could go with the coupe still looking kind of good, and even that had pretty big doors and a huge slab of metal where the rear door should go.

The E92 definitely stepped over the line.. and I can't imagine how the F32 could look well proportioned, assuming the wheelbase gets longer over the E92.

The 6 series is in a kind of different world of no longer being a 'large coupe' but being more of a GT car with a vestigal backseat. Not to say you couldn't be comfortable in it once installed, but the 3(4?) series coupes have always had very usable backseats even in the coupes. The access required to get people back in there has made the doors huge.. not sure how long this trend can go on.

(on the other hand, there are plenty of SMALL coupes that also have the horrible slab-of-metal-where-there-should-be-a-rear-door look.. think Scion tC, and on the slightly larger end, the G35/G37, accord coupe, etc, all fail to pull off this look).

I'm thinking the ever-increasing beltline only adds to the problem.

[WJGreer]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

What's with the name switch from 3 series to 4 series? Why is BMW doing that?

They have an unreal amount of data telling them that a coupe appeals to a more upscale buyer who wants differentiation over the "entry level" sedan 3er BMW and is willing to pay for it.

Audi has the same or similar data. It's not a matter of one company copying the other; more a matter of both companies fully understanding their market and responding in the way they think is best. The fact that they reach the same conclusion is a reflection of the fact that they both have very efficient product research functions.

[tuna_hp]

From the OP:

"There have also been rumors that perhaps the F32's introduction will be an occasion for BMW to introduce a successor engine to the current 6-cyl N55 engine powering the F30, but that's purely rumor for now."

Does anyone know where these rumors are from? Some links?

I've been looking for news about an N55 replacement. There isn't enough differentiation between the 245hp / 260tq 28i and the 300hp/300tq 35i. Plus some of BMW's competitors are getting away from them in power. Audi S4, G37, this years new Jaguar s/c V6, rumored new mercedes x350 engine with forced induction, all have or will have closer to 330-340hp.

Plus 2.0L 4 cylinder engine makes 260tq... add 50% for 50% more displacement and cylinders and you're at 390 lb ft. Yes obviously it doesn't work that way and the single turbocharger can't provide 50% more boost while still being as responsive, but the I6 should be able to rev higher to produce pretty close to 50% more horsepower than the I4 even if they can't quite produce 50% more torque... if they wanted to produce such an engine.

[tuna_hp]

Originally Posted by WJGreer

They have an unreal amount of data telling them that a coupe appeals to a more upscale buyer who wants differentiation over the "entry level" sedan 3er BMW and is willing to pay for it.

Audi has the same or similar data. It's not a matter of one company copying the other; more a matter of both companies fully understanding their market and responding in the way they think is best. The fact that they reach the same conclusion is a reflection of the fact that they both have very efficient product research functions.

Very well put. But if they insist on differentiating the coupe/convertible as a higher end product with higher pricing, hopefully they go beyond changing the name and body panels. Nicer and more striking interior a la 6er Coupe/ 6er Gran Coupe vs 5er? Longer engine bay to fit inline 6 engines further aft for more favorable weight distribution? Are things like this likely?

If the rumors are true that BMW will produce a 4er Gran Coupe, they will definitely need to differentiate that from the 3er sedan with a higher quality more 'special' interior, hopefully that becomes part of the new 4er Coupe/Convertible brand as well.

[silentassasin]

Originally Posted by JDy80

I know its only camouflage, but seeing that face instantly made me think of this.


See the resemblance..

Agree 100%

[WJGreer]

Originally Posted by tuna_hp

I've been looking for news about an N55 replacement. There isn't enough differentiation between the 245hp / 260tq 28i and the 300hp/300tq 35i. Plus some of BMW's competitors are getting away from them in power. Audi S4, G37, this years new Jaguar s/c V6, rumored new mercedes x350 engine with forced induction, all have or will have closer to 330-340hp.

Agree, and by the time the coupe comes out, the N54/N55 engine will have been in service for almost ten years. It seems like the only reason for BMW to not introduce a higher output engine at this point would be that they choose not to for whatever reason.

[Sales@AUTOcouture]

there towing with it