Surely DS is redundant... - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

SomeRandomer123 · 04-10-2012, 12:47 PM

On the Automatic Transmission cars, there has been a DS option for a while, as there is on most auto cars.
So moving the lever to the side to activate DS does the following:
Sharpens throttle response
Goes into a gear lower
Goes closer to the redline

Please add/remove/amend the above!

Putting the car into Sport mode also does all of the above, plus more, so what is the point in DS?

Thanks!

bcl0328 · 04-10-2012, 12:56 PM

do you have the sport transmission? moving the lever to the left puts it in sport mode if you do.

smohr33 · 04-10-2012, 01:11 PM

Moving the lever to the left, regardless of transmittion puts you is DS

DS is JUST for the transmittion. It changes shift points, shifts faster etc

Sport mode changes the transmittion the same as DS, but also changes steering weight and throttle response.

So DS is not redundant. You can keep the car in Comfort for light steering and throttle, but get quicker shifting and higher shift points.

SomeRandomer123 · 04-10-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bcl0328

do you have the sport transmission? moving the lever to the left puts it in sport mode if you do.

Yes, well, I will do when it comes!

SomeRandomer123 · 04-10-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smohr33

Moving the lever to the left, regardless of transmittion puts you is DS

DS is JUST for the transmittion. It changes shift points, shifts faster etc

Sport mode changes the transmittion the same as DS, but also changes steering weight and throttle response.

So DS is not redundant. You can keep the car in Comfort for light steering and throttle, but get quicker shifting and higher shift points.

I don't believe the shifts are quicker in DS. More severe possibly, but I don't believe they are quicker. Can anybody confirm this? I may be wrong!
Also, doesn't DS sharpen throttle response?

smohr33 · 04-10-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomer123

I don't believe the shifts are quicker in DS. More severe possibly, but I don't believe they are quicker. Can anybody confirm this? I may be wrong!
Also, doesn't DS sharpen throttle response?

I can confirm that DS doesn't sharpen throttle response. The shifts are ceratinly quicker in M, I don't know about DS as I don't use it, but I would believe they are...

ziggys101 · 04-10-2012, 01:33 PM

DS also turns off start stop, so if im coming up to a junction where I know ill only stop for a split second i put the box in DS and once ive pulled away slip it back to the right.

CasZy NL · 04-10-2012, 02:24 PM

In DS it does sharpen throttle response, shifts later and stays longer in the same gear (also if you do not stay on the throttle). It is in attack mode.

smohr33 · 04-10-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CasZy NL

In DS it does sharpen throttle response, shifts later and stays longer in the same gear (also if you do not stay on the throttle). It is in attack mode.

On an F30, DS DOES NOT sharpen throttle response. Only changing the driving mode to Sport will.

SomeRandomer123 · 04-10-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CasZy NL

In DS it does sharpen throttle response, shifts later and stays longer in the same gear (also if you do not stay on the throttle). It is in attack mode.

You've said exactly what I'm thinking! It MUST sharpen throttle response! Surely! I know for a fact it does in the E9X series.

SomeRandomer123 · 04-10-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by smohr33

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasZy NL

In DS it does sharpen throttle response, shifts later and stays longer in the same gear (also if you do not stay on the throttle). It is in attack mode.

On an F30, DS DOES NOT sharpen throttle response. Only changing the driving mode to Sport will.

Really? That is EXTREMELY surprising! It MUST do!

SomeRandomer123 · 04-10-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ziggys101

DS also turns off start stop, so if im coming up to a junction where I know ill only stop for a split second i put the box in DS and once ive pulled away slip it back to the right.

Interesting! Didn't know DS was a inhibitor of Stop/Start.

smohr33 · 04-10-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomer123

You've said exactly what I'm thinking! It MUST sharpen throttle response! Surely! I know for a fact it does in the E9X series.

Don't trust the person who has driven their car 2000 miles. You must be right.

Fraggy · 04-10-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomer123

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziggys101

DS also turns off start stop, so if im coming up to a junction where I know ill only stop for a split second i put the box in DS and once ive pulled away slip it back to the right.

Interesting! Didn't know DS was a inhibitor of Stop/Start.

Yup, also sport mode will disable start stop as well.

SomeRandomer123 · 04-11-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by smohr33

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeRandomer123

You've said exactly what I'm thinking! It MUST sharpen throttle response! Surely! I know for a fact it does in the E9X series.

Don't trust the person who has driven their car 2000 miles. You must be right.

Haha fine I'll trust you, sorry! I just find that very surprising!

Cam70 · 04-30-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraggy

Yup, also sport mode will disable start stop as well.

In the car I test drove (328i, Modern pack, with sports auto) the change to sport mode did not effect start stop.

Moving gear shifter to the left did, but even sports+ didnt effect the start stop function.

Carnook · 05-01-2012, 01:11 AM

In DS if you use the paddle shifters it will stay in manual mode. In regular drive if you use the paddle shifters I believe it goes back to automatic after a certain number of seconds.

Phamous · 01-19-2013, 03:38 PM

So if you put your car in DS, you don't have to shift correct? Just put it in DS and drive the car the way you would in D?

zofinger · 01-19-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ziggys101

DS also turns off start stop, so if im coming up to a junction where I know ill only stop for a split second i put the box in DS and once ive pulled away slip it back to the right.

I like this idea. Saves reaching for the ASS button - i hit the start/stop engine button by mistake once!

David328M-Sport · 01-19-2013, 05:23 PM

I'm not using Sport mode at this time, so when I want a little bit more than Comfort offers, I push the lever to DS and go. Plus I show off to passengers about how the gear lever it flips back to its neutral position on its own from DS when I press Park.

Always gets a "wow" comment.

shivaswrath · 01-19-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomer123

On the Automatic Transmission cars, there has been a DS option for a while, as there is on most auto cars.
So moving the lever to the side to activate DS does the following:
Sharpens throttle response
Goes into a gear lower
Goes closer to the redline

Please add/remove/amend the above!

Putting the car into Sport mode also does all of the above, plus more, so what is the point in DS?

Thanks!

Timing and Steering feel is in favor of the Sports mode dude!

SomeRandomer123 · 01-19-2013, 07:57 PM

This thread is so out of date now. I posted this way before I got my car!! Can we let it die? All problems solved and some info not accurate and dated.

04-10-2012, 12:47 PM	#1
SomeRandomer123 Colonel Drives: F30 328i Luxury - Sport Auto Join Date: May 2011 Location: Lancashire, North West England, UK Posts: 2,046 iTrader: (0)	Surely DS is redundant... On the Automatic Transmission cars, there has been a DS option for a while, as there is on most auto cars. So moving the lever to the side to activate DS does the following: Sharpens throttle response Goes into a gear lower Goes closer to the redline Please add/remove/amend the above! Putting the car into Sport mode also does all of the above, plus more, so what is the point in DS? Thanks! __________________ Gone: 2006 BMW E60 520d SE 6MT Gone: 2009 BMW E90-LCI 330d SE 6MT - Awesome! 28th May 2009 - 28th May 2012 Current: 2012 F30 328i Luxury 8AT - Loving it! My 328i thread!http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712673
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Phamous Private First Class Drives: 2013 BMW 328xi M Sport Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 196 iTrader: (0)	So if you put your car in DS, you don't have to shift correct? Just put it in DS and drive the car the way you would in D? __________________ Picked Up:2013 328i xDrive\|Alpine White\|///M Sport\|Xenons\|Coral Red\|Moon Roof

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David328M-Sport Brigadier General Drives: F30 M-Sport 328i Estoril Blue Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 3,185 iTrader: (0)	I'm not using Sport mode at this time, so when I want a little bit more than Comfort offers, I push the lever to DS and go. Plus I show off to passengers about how the gear lever it flips back to its neutral position on its own from DS when I press Park. Always gets a "wow" comment. __________________ 328i M-Sport, Estoril Blue, Carbon XP 35 Tint, front heated seats, black Dakota, Sports Suspension, Anthracite Headliner, HUD, Pro Nav, Sunroof, hk 600w, Bi-Xenon, 19" 403M wheels, Reversing Camera, DAB+, Xenon, BT Ext Connect.

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SomeRandomer123 Colonel Drives: F30 328i Luxury - Sport Auto Join Date: May 2011 Location: Lancashire, North West England, UK Posts: 2,046 iTrader: (0)	This thread is so out of date now. I posted this way before I got my car!! Can we let it die? All problems solved and some info not accurate and dated. __________________ Gone: 2006 BMW E60 520d SE 6MT Gone: 2009 BMW E90-LCI 330d SE 6MT - Awesome! 28th May 2009 - 28th May 2012 Current: 2012 F30 328i Luxury 8AT - Loving it! My 328i thread!http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712673

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04-10-2012, 12:56 PM	#2
bcl0328 Captain Drives: 2012 328i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Abingdon, MD Posts: 967 iTrader: (0)	do you have the sport transmission? moving the lever to the left puts it in sport mode if you do.

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smohr33 Lieutenant Drives: 2012 328i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 516 iTrader: (0)	Moving the lever to the left, regardless of transmittion puts you is DS DS is JUST for the transmittion. It changes shift points, shifts faster etc Sport mode changes the transmittion the same as DS, but also changes steering weight and throttle response. So DS is not redundant. You can keep the car in Comfort for light steering and throttle, but get quicker shifting and higher shift points.

04-10-2012, 01:33 PM	#7
ziggys101 New Member Drives: F30 320D Sport Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: UK Posts: 27 iTrader: (0)	DS also turns off start stop, so if im coming up to a junction where I know ill only stop for a split second i put the box in DS and once ive pulled away slip it back to the right.

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CasZy NL Private First Class Drives: F30 335i \| E70 X5 \| Z1 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Netherlands Posts: 162 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 BMW 335i [4.50] 2008 BMW X5 35d [5.00] 1991 BMW Z1 [5.00]	In DS it does sharpen throttle response, shifts later and stays longer in the same gear (also if you do not stay on the throttle). It is in attack mode.

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Carnook Private First Class Drives: BMW 2012 F30 335i Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 182 iTrader: (0)	In DS if you use the paddle shifters it will stay in manual mode. In regular drive if you use the paddle shifters I believe it goes back to automatic after a certain number of seconds.