[svache]

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BMW communication/explanation on the matter:

All manufacturers are responsible for testing and submitting fuel economy figures each year to the EPA (based on physical tests following the EPA test cycle on a dynamometer). Occasionally, the EPA will validate the figures that we provide. When this happens, there are sometimes small changes in the published EPA fuel economy figures (usually 1 mpg up or down).

The EPA recently tested the 2012 328i Automatic and obtained a highway mileage result that was 3m pg lower (33mpg versus 36mpg) than the BMW test result. We are very surprised by this result and are currently working to determine how this is possible. The new rating seems abnormally low in relation to the other models in the BMW range and by the real-world fuel economy that we are seeing from this model.

Unfortunately, there is no provision in the EPA rules for a re-test this year. Therefore regardless of the results of our investigation, the new rating will stand for this model year.

As outlined in the BMW communication above, the new 328i apparently had it's fuel economy numbers revised and now shows the same numbers as the 335i in AT, and only slightly better than the 335i in MT.

The numbers are now:

BMW 2012 328i Sedan
City 23 / Highway 33 / Combined 26 - Automatic
City 23 / Highway 34 / Combined 27 - Manual

BMW 2012 335i Sedan
City 23 / Highway 33 / Combined 26 - Automatic
City 20 / Highway 30 / Combined 23 - Manual


With this, I'm just wondering who start to have second thoughts about their choice for the 328i due to the revised fuel economy of the car?

Personally I have no idea what to do yet. My car does not arrive until the end of March, but more likely the first week of April. Should I keep the car because it's cheaper or shall I order a new one and spend a few thousand more (although, in my case, I would leave the cold weather package this time lol). Do I want to wait the extra months or should I just forgo on the whole model and see about a 528i or 535i with slightly less options instead (kind of hard as I love to geek with some of that stuff lol). I did email my CA to see what he can tell me about the revised numbers.

I have no idea what to do yet, but I can say I am not feeling right about this. I do feel a bit like this was false advertising and we should at least have the possibility to upgrade to the 335i if we wish to.

[gator15]

I was beginning to regret my decision on the 328i as well. I just checked the BMW website and they no longer list fuel economy standards for the 335i. They simply say "TBD". This would lead me to believe that those numbers are being revised as well. In addition, the manual 328i also lists "TBD". The only numbers that are listed on their website are the newly revised 328i. So before I make any decision, I will wait until all the numbers are released.

[ric124]

Just curious...What are the Gas prices over there in Hawaii?

[bl@ster]

Ya, I'm regretting. I called my CA last night and explained the deal here. One of the main reasons I went for the 328 over the 335 was the gas mileage. That advantage just evaporated. So now they have another deal out to me to reorder the 335 instead. But they gave me a worse deal on price over invoice -- they said they had fewer production slots for the 335.

So it's decision time for me again... do I order up? And all of this while my 328 on the Tortugas cargo ship is 2 days away from docking in CA

[wdlv]

I don't know why they're redoing their initial findings but it is quite curious that they've been revised. Obviously, they spent some time establishing their figures and now to revisit (whatever).

I purchased a 335i and I don't have any regrets, as long as it comes out more fuel efficient as my outgoing e90 328i, then I'll be happy (which I'm quite sure it will be).

[Mason3]

Haha! I get 12-16 in my M3, so the 328i is refreshing. I have a feeling my wife will beat any EPA standards. I like the 328i because it was ~ $14K less than a similarly equipped 335i. With a Tune, I have a feeling the 328i is going to be even more fun than it already is.

Get which you like most and don't look back. Regret is a wasted emotion. For me, the $14K I didn't spend for the 335i gets me more satisfaction than my wife would have gotten if we went with the 335i.

Just my 2 cents.
Mason

[matt_335Ci]

wow, that is some BS! the 328i has been advertised on television, webpages, etc as getting 36mpg on the highway and 40+ in ECO Pro. i knew with the performance numbers that was too good to be true. i bet the 335i AT will be closer to 20/30.

[matt_335Ci]

Originally Posted by Mason3

Haha! I get 12-16 in my M3, so the 328i is refreshing. I have a feeling my wife will beat any EPA standards. I like the 328i because it was ~ $14K less than a similarly equipped 335i. With a Tune, I have a feeling the 328i is going to be even more fun than it already is.

Get which you like most and don't look back. Regret is a wasted emotion. For me, the $14K I didn't spend for the 335i gets me more satisfaction than my wife would have gotten if we went with the 335i.

Just my 2 cents.
Mason

$14k maybe with 1 option? If you option out both cars there is not much of a discrepancy in price?

[svache]

Originally Posted by gator15

I was beginning to regret my decision on the 328i as well. I just checked the BMW website and they no longer list fuel economy standards for the 335i. They simply say "TBD". This would lead me to believe that those numbers are being revised as well. In addition, the manual 328i also lists "TBD". The only numbers that are listed on their website are the newly revised 328i. So before I make any decision, I will wait until all the numbers are released.

This is interesting.. I wonder what they will come up with the rest in this case

Originally Posted by ric124

Just curious...What are the Gas prices over there in Hawaii?

The lowest you pay for premium (92) here is 4.48/gallon, the maximum is 5.07/gallon.

[bl@ster]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

$14k maybe with 1 option? If you option out both cars there is not much of a discrepancy in price?

That's right. I have most options on mine so the price difference between 328 and 335 is in the 4-5k range.

[Mason3]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

$14k maybe with 1 option? If you option out both cars there is not much of a discrepancy in price?

335i's optioned out are nearing $60K. Nicely optioned 328i's are in the $45K range. We got 7AC and ZSL, ZPP, 494, 655, 6NL

[svache]

Originally Posted by Mason3

Haha! I get 12-16 in my M3, so the 328i is refreshing.

This is one thing I do agree with.. My current X5 gives me 15-16 mpg so that is indeed a big difference from what it was. Maybe I should look at it that way and, indeed, go with my choice... thankfully I can think about it a bit longer

Originally Posted by Mason3

335i's optioned out are nearing $60K. Nicely optioned 328i's are in the $45K range. We got 7AC and ZSL, ZPP, 494, 655, 6NL

My 328i is actually a bit over $53K, the difference with a similar optioned 335i is only 3-4 thousand from what I've seen.. If lose a few options (since I don't move out of Hawaii, I don't need the cold weather package, for example) and go with the 335i, I would pay about the same

[Mason3]

Yeah, you guys are right. It's only about $8300 difference.

[matt_335Ci]

next think you know BMW will release the 0-60 times for the F30 328i are more like 6.8 seconds.

[bl@ster]

I also regret ordering early in the F30 lifecycle. Should have waited for the model year 2013.

[svache]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

next think you know BMW will release the 0-60 times for the F30 328i are more like 6.8 seconds.

lol thankfully that is less of my concern :P

[Number]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

next think you know BMW will release the 0-60 times for the F30 328i are more like 6.8 seconds.

[tuned2ride]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

next think you know BMW will release the 0-60 times for the F30 328i are more like 6.8 seconds.

Actually its 5-60mph is probably the same as the outgoing 328i N52. That's what happened with the 528i N20 vs 528i N52, both tested by Car&Driver.

[MacAttackBMW]

Wow guys - first I am hearing of this. So sorry for you all. If you are going to need to reorder and wait another 3 months - I'd recommend a wait for the '13 model year and order a 335 - maybe you'll even get lucky and they will work out a kink or two with the stop/start and maybe even get a power bump.

[igom3]

So, mpg numbers are the same for 328 and 335 with auto transmission ?
I say BS

[Number]

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...nst-honda.html

You can do it guys!

[shoptb]

Originally Posted by svache

As outlined here, the new 328i apparently had it's fuel economy numbers revised and now shows the same numbers as the 335i in AT, and only slightly better than the 335i in MT.

The numbers are now:

BMW 2012 328i Sedan
City 23 / Highway 33 / Combined 26 - Automatic
City 23 / Highway 34 / Combined 27 - Manual

BMW 2012 335i Sedan
City 23 / Highway 33 / Combined 26 - Automatic
City 20 / Highway 30 / Combined 23 - Manual


With this, I'm just wondering who start to have second thoughts about their choice for the 328i due to the revised fuel economy of the car?

Personally I have no idea what to do yet. My car does not arrive until the end of March, but more likely the first week of April. Should I keep the car because it's cheaper or shall I order a new one and spend a few thousand more (although, in my case, I would leave the cold weather package this time lol). Do I want to wait the extra months or should I just forgo on the whole model and see about a 528i or 535i with slightly less options instead (kind of hard as I love to geek with some of that stuff lol). I did email my CA to see what he can tell me about the revised numbers.

I have no idea what to do yet, but I can say I am not feeling right about this. I do feel a bit like this was false advertising and we should at least have the possibility to upgrade to the 335i if we wish to.

I'm gonna have to call BS on this "report" for a couple of reasons: 1) personal experience on test drives (I averaged 40 mpg in ECO PRO in both city/hwy) 2) I don't see how this is even possible between the existing 6-cylinder in the 335i and the N20 in the 328i.