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      02-22-2012, 08:16 PM   #45
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A downpipe and tune will make this car boogie, and a set of real rubber and stiffer sway bars will flatten things out.

Great starting point for an awesome ride.
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Besides the nice numbers, no one noticed that

1. It is 110lbs heavier than the E90 tested against,

2. Complaints about "ample body roll" and slow response,

3. And "Not the best brake in the segment"?

I think so much attention has been paid to the change over from the I6 to the I4, which turned out to be more successful than many expected in almost all objective measures, that very little attention is give to the other aspects of the car. I remain skeptical about how engaging this car is to drive compared to its predecessors.
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Besides the nice numbers, no one noticed that

1. It is 110lbs heavier than the E90 tested against,

2. Complaints about "ample body roll" and slow response,

3. And "Not the best brake in the segment"?

I think so much attention has been paid to the change over from the I6 to the I4, which turned out to be more successful than many expected in almost all objective measures, that very little attention is give to the other aspects of the car. I remain skeptical about how engaging this car is to drive compared to its predecessors.
You can remain skeptical but just read what all the reviews say about the f30 328i. It's a better overall performer both power and handling and as engaging.
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I will say the 328 brakes are not the best, the performance is fine, but i dont like how much i have to press the pedal in before they activate...im going in tomorrow and will ask the head of service about it, the guy is really knowledgeable, anyone have any questions they want me to ask?
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Besides the nice numbers, no one noticed that

1. It is 110lbs heavier than the E90 tested against,

2. Complaints about "ample body roll" and slow response,

3. And "Not the best brake in the segment"?

I think so much attention has been paid to the change over from the I6 to the I4, which turned out to be more successful than many expected in almost all objective measures, that very little attention is give to the other aspects of the car. I remain skeptical about how engaging this car is to drive compared to its predecessors.
Most people seem to be comparing/equating the current sportline F30 with the E90 M sport package model. But the F30 generation M Sport has not been released yet. The M sport will have stiffer stabilizers (will help with body roll), available M Sport brakes (should fix the braking compliant), and a staggered wheel setup (that one reviewer said really helped the 335i stick better around Laguna Seca)...and we don't know what else for sure. The sportline F30, while sportier than a modern or luxury line F30, is still not the M sport model.

What people should be looking at is how well does the current F30 compare to a non-M sport E90.. pretty well I think. When the F30 M Sport comes out we can start the comparisons with the E90 M Sport version.
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Besides the nice numbers, no one noticed that

1. It is 110lbs heavier than the E90 tested against,

2. Complaints about "ample body roll" and slow response,

3. And "Not the best brake in the segment"?

I think so much attention has been paid to the change over from the I6 to the I4, which turned out to be more successful than many expected in almost all objective measures, that very little attention is give to the other aspects of the car. I remain skeptical about how engaging this car is to drive compared to its predecessors.
1.) Maybe the test car had lots of optional equipment?

2.) Doesn't the E90 have bodyroll? Maybe F30 has more roll & slower response, but maybe it's faster overall round corners?

3.) Maybe exclusive to US-spec cars? EU/ROW spec gets bigger front & rear discs compared to US-spec.
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these things get what like 35mpgs? those are amazing stats for such an economical car.
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Impressive numbers indeed!

I'm crossing my fingers that there won't be any potential HPFP issues with the new N20 engine.

Definitely will wait it out a year or so to see if the early adopters have any problems. :-)
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BMW really needs to increase the power on the 335 otherwise the 328 is going to be its biggest rival.
Perhaps, but the number are not really close. Here's insideline.com 's numbers from 2006 for the 335i.

Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.2
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.8
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.1
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.3 @ 105.9

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335i 1.5 seconds faster to 75 then F30 328 that is a serious whooping and 7mph faster trap speed.
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Perhaps, but the number are not really close. Here's insideline.com 's numbers from 2006 for the 335i.

Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.2
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.8
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.1
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.3 @ 105.9

http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-seri...35i-coupe.html


335i 1.5 seconds faster to 75 then F30 328 that is a serious whooping and 7mph faster trap speed.
Thats the N54...
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^ and I believe a coupe...

I would like to see e90 (n55) numbers and and f30 (n55) numbers as well.

328i is impressive thus far unless everyone giving it praise is full of crap...
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..test drove the Sport 4-cly 328 today... wow not bad for a 4! felt fantastic...im sold now on the iPad looking NAV ... stunning resolution and wide screen...

'black pannel(?)' instrument cluster is stunningly sharp as well... and the heads up display is non intrusive and much sharper and refined looking than others I have driven... nice to see this on 3-series..

...I test drove a N54 stage 3-dynan after that... well .. still drooling

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Can anyone see an added bonus of getting the 335i over the 328i? I6 growl vs good performance and great MPG!!! I don't know which to get. I test drove both and still no idea.
I6 is buttery smooth and balanced, thus still retains the iconic engine configuration associated with BMW.

The N55 turbo is a sweet powerful engine that doesn't disappoint in the least.

BMW isn't putting too much distinction between these two offerings.
Once you've optioned both versions with the typical pkgs and options there isn't much difference in price. At this price point $3000 isn't much of a difference. This is especially true with leasing, and 50% of BMW sales are leases. The monthly payment difference is about $50.

For me, I'm actually more curious about the 328i being the better handler due to the lower weight up front. I appreciate better handling over extra power. So, I've got to get some drivers seat time.
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yes, if I am spending $70K-$75K on a car, it better not have anything that I can't live with and I wouldn't spend that much money on a car and not get navigation, plus I think you get that screen even if you don't get navigation because other features like idrive audio and settings are displayed on it. Obviously my decision to buy a car isn't based on the NAV screen but that is one aspect that can sway me away from a car. I don't understand what best buy would have to do with it, so I can get an even uglier windshield mounted NAV screen? My point is that NAV is pretty standard on any upper end cars now, almost any car priced at $60K or more has it standard, and this is a brand new 3 series design, how could they not incorporate it better into the dash? the 5 series, 7 series, SUVs all do a nice job of it, why not the 3 series?
The 3 series is an entry level near luxury BMW. Sure, you can go overboard and add in all the newer kinda high priced options, but why?
Checking everything in the 335i puts the MSRP at $58,720.
NO thank you.

Since you're willing to spend $70K, then why not just get the 5?
Here's what you can get for right under $65,000
535i w/sport auto trans
M sport pkg.
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-Pretty loaded and it looks sweet with the M-sport pkg.
And, the Nav is nicely integrated into the dash.

For about $70K you can get the 550i M sport, V8 turbo, sweet.
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The 3 series is an entry level near luxury BMW. Sure, you can go overboard and add in all the newer kinda high priced options, but why?
Checking everything in the 335i puts the MSRP at $58,720.
NO thank you.

Since you're willing to spend $70K, then why not just get the 5?
Here's what you can get for right under $65,000
535i w/sport auto trans
M sport pkg.
Tech/Nav
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-Pretty loaded and it looks sweet with the M-sport pkg.
And, the Nav is nicely integrated into the dash.

For about $70K you can get the 550i M sport, V8 turbo, sweet.
My F30 costs > 70k EUROS....

A F10 5 series is not 'BMW'sporty at all. That's one of the reasons why I traded in my 2010(in US 2011....) 535i for the F30 335i 6MT.

German carmag Autobild tested a 328i AT vs a Audi A4 2.0TFSi(211BHP)6MT, the BMW won, but not very easily. They weren't very happy with the sound of the 328i. The Audi engine sounded better and had a shorter braking distance.
The BMW was faster with 0-100kmh(62mph) in 6.2 seconds.What's the fuzz?
Overall a very very good car, but so is the Audi they stated.
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The 3 series is an entry level near luxury BMW.
It totally depends where in the world someone lives to suggest that. In Europe it's not exactly entry level. Would you spend (converted) over $100K for an 'entry level' car? That's what a 3 series easily costs over there.

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Sure, you can go overboard and add in all the newer kinda high priced options, but why?
Checking everything in the 335i puts the MSRP at $58,720.
NO thank you.

Since you're willing to spend $70K, then why not just get the 5?
There might be a lot of reasons to go with a 3 series instead actually. Right now I have enough funds available to buy a nicely loaded 7 series but that doesn't mean I will do it just because I can
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..test drove the Sport 4-cly 328 today... wow not bad for a 4! felt fantastic...im sold now on the iPad looking NAV ... stunning resolution and wide screen...

'black pannel(?)' instrument cluster is stunningly sharp as well... and the heads up display is non intrusive and much sharper and refined looking than others I have driven... nice to see this on 3-series..

...I test drove a N54 stage 3-dynan after that... well .. still drooling

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Hey Frosty, was it sunny when you drove it? I'm concerned that since the nav screen is no longer hooded that sun glare on the screen might be a problem...especially when the sun is coming in from the side.
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My F30 costs > 70k EUROS....

A F10 5 series is not 'BMW'sporty at all. That's one of the reasons why I traded in my 2010(in US 2011....) 535i for the F30 335i 6MT.

German carmag Autobild tested a 328i AT vs a Audi A4 2.0TFSi(211BHP)6MT, the BMW won, but not very easily. They weren't very happy with the sound of the 328i. The Audi engine sounded better and had a shorter braking distance.
The BMW was faster with 0-100kmh(62mph) in 6.2 seconds.What's the fuzz?
Overall a very very good car, but so is the Audi they stated.
As I live in the US, I speak in "dollars".

It's fine to have your opinion on the 5 series. I just don't agree.
The standard 3 series is not sporty either. Only when you put the sport suspension on it, then it becomes what it's supposed to be. A non sport suspension 3 is pretty bland in terms of sport driving.

That's also true of the 5, and that's why I suggested the "M sport" option, which gives the 5 the sport characteristics that a BMW sport sedan can and should have, IMO.

Why did you bring the A4 into this?
I had one btw, a 2006 S-line with sport suspension. Excellent car. Very fun to drive, and great in the all season Chicago area.
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It totally depends where in the world someone lives to suggest that. In Europe it's not exactly entry level. Would you spend (converted) over $100K for an 'entry level' car? That's what a 3 series easily costs over there.


There might be a lot of reasons to go with a 3 series instead actually. Right now I have enough funds available to buy a nicely loaded 7 series but that doesn't mean I will do it just because I can
In the US, the 3 series is a "near luxury" model. The base 3 comes with very very little to call it a "luxury" automobile. BMW is now offering pricey options for the 3. Putting everything in a 335i puts one near $60K. Just because one can go overboard with options, that still doesn't justify a near $60K price tag for a 3 series. Like I said, I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean someone else won't.

I posted what I did in response to a person who feels that a 3 series should have certain things standard in it. The 3 doesn't have those things standard because it's not a luxury car. If one expects all manner of luxury, then move up to a model that is more of a luxury car and offers more luxury features as standard.
So, I agree that there are reasons to go with a 3. But, I was addressing a specific post. BTW, how nice that we all now know that you can afford a loaded 7, but would settle for a 3.

Oh, and in Europe there are even more "entry level" BMW's than we get in the states.

Comparing straight numbers between different currencies and different countries tells one nothing. People post these numbers all the time as if there is an equal comparison to be made. The draw any meaningful price comparisons you should know the average and mean income for the countries compared. Then, compare the price of different vehicles sold in that country. Posting a $100,000 number and asking me if I'd pay that proves no point. Now, would I spend $100,000 for a3 series in the US? I already stated that I wouldn't spend $60k, so NO, I wouldn't pay $100,000.

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In the US, the 3 series is a "near luxury" model. The base 3 comes with very very little to call it a "luxury" automobile. BMW is now offering pricey options for the 3. Putting everything in a 335i puts one near $60K. Just because one can go overboard with options, that still doesn't justify a near $60K price tag for a 3 series. Like I said, I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean someone else won't.

I posted what I did in response to a person who feels that a 3 series should have certain things standard in it. The 3 doesn't have those things standard because it's not a luxury car. If one expects all manner of luxury, then move up to a model that is more of a luxury car and offers more luxury features as standard.
So, I agree that there are reasons to go with a 3. But, I was addressing a specific post. BTW, how nice that we all now know that you can afford a loaded 7, but would settle for a 3.

Oh, and in Europe there are even more "entry level" BMW's than we get in the states.

Comparing straight numbers between different currencies and different countries tells one nothing. People post these numbers all the time as if there is an equal comparison to be made. The draw any meaningful price comparisons you should know the average and mean income for the countries compared. Then, compare the price of different vehicles sold in that country. Posting a $100,000 number and asking me if I'd pay that proves no point. Now, would I spend $100,000 for a3 series in the US? I already stated that I wouldn't spend $60k, so NO, I wouldn't pay $100,000.
Those numbers don't say anything? I'm sorry but as an European now living in the US, I see the differences quite clearly, especially since I still handle money on a frequent base on both sides of the big pond. People in Europe pay way more on their cars than they do in the US. Salaries are comparable, if not better in the US. Why? Because you pay a LOT less tax here and get to keep a lot more in your pocket. The price tag before taxes in Europe is not much different from what it is in the US but after taxes they pay at least $30K-$40K more. This while they do make less money than in the US. I'm really sorry but those numbers mean a lot. And while you might not think so, but to many people over there 70K does feel like $100K feels over there, if not more. You obviously have no idea.

More 'entry level' BMW's in Europe than in the States? Not where I come from. In the Netherlands, and many other countries in Europe, people mostly drive in compact cars simply because they cannot pay for a BMW, and simply because the price of gas and road taxes is way too high in order to maintain said BMW. As a matter of fact, I have not ever seen so many BMW's in a place as since I lived here in Hawaii, it's almost as if everyone can drive one here. Perhaps you're right in the total amount of BMW's that is driving there, that could be, but don't forget Europe is much bigger and that there is about 3 times more people living in Europe so it's easy to chance the numbers to your own benefit in this.

Seeing your misplaced sarcasm I can only conclude you missed my point when I said something about affording a 7 series. What I said has nothing to do with what I can but all with the fact that not everyone wants a higher luxury car even if they can. Nothing else. And, honestly, that was also the sole reason I made my initial reply to you.
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I think average salaries paid to those employed in USA is one of the highest in the world, coupled that with car prices probably being the cheapest in the world, USA has by far the most affordable cars in this world. Those leasing rates alone make many ppl's mouths water, let alone being able to change cars whenever the lease is up.
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