335i sstt vs 135i stock - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

yeefoo335 · 03-17-2009, 12:34 AM

My friend and i decided to have a run or two today after i installed the sstt just to see the difference, there was five of us at the time and me having the more powerful car decided to take 2 passengers while he only takes one, all three passengers are pretty heavy 170+ lbs. plus the extra weight of my car compared to his 1er. So, its three people in my car including me, and two people in his car including the driver. We went from a roll 30mph and i was in 2nd gear (he said he was in 1st), 3 honks, and he got a slight jump about half a car and stayed that way all the to about 100mph. I was a little surprised thinking i would have beat him even with practically a full car, second time we went from 20mph 1st gear roll and again he got a split second jump but i managed to hold it just a bit closer this time but he still won by barely half a car and this time i was slightly more shocked i thought for certain i would beat him in first gear. i guess weight really is the enemy in this case because a 335i with TT is supposed to beat a 135...right? going to have a rematch again soon.

addy85 · 03-17-2009, 12:44 AM

BMW 135i
Horsepower: 306.00 BHP (225.2 KW) @ 5800.00 RPM

Torque: 400.00 NM (294.9 Ft-Lbs) @ 1300.00 RPM

Speed: 250 km/h | 155.4 mph (limited)

Length: 4360.001 mm | 171.7 in.

Width: 1934.001 mm | 76.1 in.

Weight: 3440 lb

0-60: 4.7-4.8 sec

Base price: $35,675

BMW 335i Coupe
Horsepower: 300 bhp @ 5800 RPM

Torque: 300 NM @ 1400 RPM

Speed: 250 km/h | 155.4 mph

Length: 4579.62 mm | 180.3 in

Width: 1783.08 mm | 70.2 in

Weight: 3,571 lb

0-60: 5.1 sec

The weight is a factor in this race

Race again with no passengers.

Vudoo4u2 · 03-17-2009, 01:08 AM

hopefully these races are on a track

But that being said, the 335i with SSTT is sitting at a 131 lb disadvantage stock for stock (with slightly better aerodynamics on the 3 vs 1...but that wont come into play off the line much)..add an extra 170lb person (this is assuming the 1ers passengers weigh the same as yours per person)...and you are racing a 135 who has ~300lb advantage over you...

Even the 35whp the SSTT gives you (also assuming you had given that thing time to adapt...as it takes a day or so..youll notice the difference), cannot overcome a 300 lb weight advantage.

The fact that you stayed within a car length is showing you the extra power you do have, since the jump is variable, that car length is negligible, essentially, youre dead even, but he has a 300lb advantage. There is your power

bmw69 · 03-17-2009, 06:17 AM

335i for me thanks.
135i is way toooooo ugly.

ptack · 03-17-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bmw69

335i for me thanks.
135i is way toooooo ugly.

But you'll only see it pulling away from you.

j0hn · 03-17-2009, 07:10 AM

bmw69 · 03-17-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ptack

But you'll only see it pulling away from you.

true...
i prefer style over speed.

EmPower · 03-17-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by addy85

BMW 135i
Horsepower: 306.00 BHP (225.2 KW) @ 5800.00 RPM

Torque: 400.00 NM (294.9 Ft-Lbs) @ 1300.00 RPM

Speed: 250 km/h | 155.4 mph (limited)

Length: 4360.001 mm | 171.7 in.

Width: 1934.001 mm | 76.1 in.

Weight: 3440 lb

0-60: 4.7-4.8 sec

Base price: $35,675

BMW 335i Coupe
Horsepower: 300 bhp @ 5800 RPM

Torque: 300 NM @ 1400 RPM

Speed: 250 km/h | 155.4 mph

Length: 4579.62 mm | 180.3 in

Width: 1783.08 mm | 70.2 in

Weight: 3,571 lb

0-60: 5.1 sec

The weight is a factor in this race

Race again with no passengers.

Ummmm.NO. The 335 has FREER FLOWING EXHAUST...the only application of this engine that has this setup..... this gives it higher #s on the dyno...330hp---~445 Nm of torque and a rolling (1 foot) 0-60 of 4.8s. The 1er is more manovreable though, but has a less precise sterring... so its a drivers race

warmtoes · 03-17-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bmw69

true...
i prefer style over speed.

Hard to argue with you on that. But, how do you reconcile the fact that you have a dash that replicates a 70's Olds Cutlass dash?

TheAcAvenger · 03-17-2009, 09:09 AM

Transmissions involved?

miktrebla09 · 03-17-2009, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmPower

Ummmm.NO. The 335 has FREER FLOWING EXHAUST...the only application of this engine that has this setup..... this gives it higher #s on the dyno...330hp---~445 Nm of torque and a rolling (1 foot) 0-60 of 4.8s. The 1er is more manovreable though, but has a less precise sterring... so its a drivers race

Less precise steering? I've driven both and the 1 DEFINITELY has more precise, communicative steering. Cetaris paribus, the 1 will prevail.

miktrebla09 · 03-17-2009, 09:43 AM

test done at Spring Mountain Motorsports Park at an elevation of 3Kft. Not exactly favorable for N/A cars, but it shows a good comparison between the 1 and 3er.

MVF4Rrider · 03-17-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by miktrebla09

Less precise steering? I've driven both and the 1 DEFINITELY has more precise, communicative steering. Cetaris paribus, the 1 will prevail.

It's not less precise, it's just a lighter feel. I've had both cars and prefer the 3er's heavier feel...especially at high autobahn speeds.

fatmatt0116 · 03-17-2009, 11:08 AM

who will win head to head? 135i or Z4 M?

TiAg335i · 03-17-2009, 11:23 AM

Yes, the 1 is faster...but I think BMW is too smart for you all.

They made it uglier to compensate for it being faster and cheaper. If it was better looking than the 335i, no way in hell anyone would buy the 335i.

warmtoes · 03-17-2009, 11:52 AM

Well, uglier is all in the eye of the beholder. I like the sleek look of the 3 but couldn't live with two things about it. The straight dash that is way to retro domestic for me and the fact that if I wanted a vert it would weigh almost 4000lbs.

Additionally, on the plus side for the 3, it has way more rear seat room than my 1 if that's important to you.

bubbletea 4 me · 03-17-2009, 02:36 PM

stock vs stock w/ equal everything, 1er is still a bit quicker due to lighter weight. that's simple physics, you are not going to change that.

now SSTT will give u slight bump in power, but you are now carrying even more weight with the additional passanger. why not just run both cars with driver only?

or throw in JB+ or JB3/V3 and you wil be fine.

Inspired · 03-17-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

Yes, the 1 is faster...but I think BMW is too smart for you all.

They made it uglier to compensate for it being faster and cheaper. If it was better looking than the 335i, no way in hell anyone would buy the 335i.

+1. funny how they think their car is so much better than the 335 but in the end.. they still have the 335 engine..

the 135i is hideous. no wonder no one is buying them in my local dealership.

Gumball · 03-17-2009, 05:37 PM

Go buy an audi or Merc is you want good looks. No Bangle BMW is that great looking including the E92.

MastaMind · 03-17-2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

+1. funny how they think their car is so much better than the 335 but in the end.. they still have the 335 engine..

the 135i is hideous. no wonder no one is buying them in my local dealership.

Meh, the 135 is a more driver centric vehicle. You can have the good looks.

Jai2008 · 03-17-2009, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

+1. funny how they think their car is so much better than the 335 but in the end.. they still have the 335 engine..

the 135i is hideous. no wonder no one is buying them in my local dealership.

Who mentioned that the 1 is better than the 3 on this tread? Same engine, one is lighter, easy choice for those that preferred speed. The look factor starts to go away when everybody and their grandma drives the same car. Hopefully, there are more people that think the 1 is hideous. When I see as many 1s as the 3s, that will be the day I sell my 1.

TiAg335i · 03-17-2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gumball

Go buy an audi or Merc is you want good looks. No Bangle BMW is that great looking including the E92.

A Merc for good looks? Hahahaha

03-17-2009, 12:34 AM	#1
yeefoo335 Private Drives: 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 98 iTrader: (1)	335i sstt vs 135i stock My friend and i decided to have a run or two today after i installed the sstt just to see the difference, there was five of us at the time and me having the more powerful car decided to take 2 passengers while he only takes one, all three passengers are pretty heavy 170+ lbs. plus the extra weight of my car compared to his 1er. So, its three people in my car including me, and two people in his car including the driver. We went from a roll 30mph and i was in 2nd gear (he said he was in 1st), 3 honks, and he got a slight jump about half a car and stayed that way all the to about 100mph. I was a little surprised thinking i would have beat him even with practically a full car, second time we went from 20mph 1st gear roll and again he got a split second jump but i managed to hold it just a bit closer this time but he still won by barely half a car and this time i was slightly more shocked i thought for certain i would beat him in first gear. i guess weight really is the enemy in this case because a 335i with TT is supposed to beat a 135...right? going to have a rematch again soon.
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03-17-2009, 12:44 AM	#2
addy85 Got beef? Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Arlington Texas Posts: 3,649 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	BMW 135i Horsepower: 306.00 BHP (225.2 KW) @ 5800.00 RPM Torque: 400.00 NM (294.9 Ft-Lbs) @ 1300.00 RPM Speed: 250 km/h \| 155.4 mph (limited) Length: 4360.001 mm \| 171.7 in. Width: 1934.001 mm \| 76.1 in. Weight: 3440 lb 0-60: 4.7-4.8 sec Base price: $35,675 BMW 335i Coupe Horsepower: 300 bhp @ 5800 RPM Torque: 300 NM @ 1400 RPM Speed: 250 km/h \| 155.4 mph Length: 4579.62 mm \| 180.3 in Width: 1783.08 mm \| 70.2 in Weight: 3,571 lb 0-60: 5.1 sec The weight is a factor in this race Race again with no passengers. __________________ Special Thanks to AU335

03-17-2009, 01:08 AM	#3
Vudoo4u2 Night Sh1ft Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It's bobsled time Posts: 2,798 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2011 BMW E90 M3 [5.00]	hopefully these races are on a track But that being said, the 335i with SSTT is sitting at a 131 lb disadvantage stock for stock (with slightly better aerodynamics on the 3 vs 1...but that wont come into play off the line much)..add an extra 170lb person (this is assuming the 1ers passengers weigh the same as yours per person)...and you are racing a 135 who has ~300lb advantage over you... Even the 35whp the SSTT gives you (also assuming you had given that thing time to adapt...as it takes a day or so..youll notice the difference), cannot overcome a 300 lb weight advantage. The fact that you stayed within a car length is showing you the extra power you do have, since the jump is variable, that car length is negligible, essentially, youre dead even, but he has a 300lb advantage. There is your power __________________ Canon 14 F2.8 L II : Canon 50 F1.2 L : Canon 24-70 F2.8 L : Canon 70-200 F2.8 IS/L : Canon 5D Mark II : B+W Filters : Photo Whore

03-17-2009, 07:10 AM	#6
j0hn Expired Drives: Everyday Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 17,159 iTrader: (1)	__________________ ne te quæsiveris extra

03-17-2009, 09:09 AM	#10
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03-17-2009, 06:17 AM	#4
bmw69 Private Drives: 105 gta Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: australia Posts: 56 iTrader: (0)	335i for me thanks. 135i is way toooooo ugly.

03-17-2009, 09:43 AM	#12
miktrebla09 Private First Class Drives: biped Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seoul / Boston Posts: 182 iTrader: (0)	test done at Spring Mountain Motorsports Park at an elevation of 3Kft. Not exactly favorable for N/A cars, but it shows a good comparison between the 1 and 3er.

03-17-2009, 11:08 AM	#14
fatmatt0116 Hooligan Drives: 2007 Imola Red Z4 M Coupe Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 514 iTrader: (0)	who will win head to head? 135i or Z4 M?

03-17-2009, 11:23 AM	#15
TiAg335i Trance Life Drives: 2007 E92 335i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,712 iTrader: (4)	Yes, the 1 is faster...but I think BMW is too smart for you all. They made it uglier to compensate for it being faster and cheaper. If it was better looking than the 335i, no way in hell anyone would buy the 335i.

03-17-2009, 11:52 AM	#16
warmtoes Lieutenant Colonel Drives: X3 35i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,768 iTrader: (1)	Well, uglier is all in the eye of the beholder. I like the sleek look of the 3 but couldn't live with two things about it. The straight dash that is way to retro domestic for me and the fact that if I wanted a vert it would weigh almost 4000lbs. Additionally, on the plus side for the 3, it has way more rear seat room than my 1 if that's important to you. __________________ TiAg/Coral Red 135i Vert *X3 35i M-Sport received but haven't taken pics yet.*

03-17-2009, 02:36 PM	#17
bubbletea 4 me Lieutenant Colonel Drives: Finally here Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 1,905 iTrader: (5)	stock vs stock w/ equal everything, 1er is still a bit quicker due to lighter weight. that's simple physics, you are not going to change that. now SSTT will give u slight bump in power, but you are now carrying even more weight with the additional passanger. why not just run both cars with driver only? or throw in JB+ or JB3/V3 and you wil be fine.

03-17-2009, 05:37 PM	#19
Gumball Lieutenant Drives: JB 135i 6MT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 529 iTrader: (0)	Go buy an audi or Merc is you want good looks. No Bangle BMW is that great looking including the E92.

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