[BKsBimmer]

Originally Posted by scottwww

About Obama... I don't know whether he is or is not gay or bisexual, a recent drug user, or not. I asked for opinions on a current news item. If what is being reported is accurate, we will see reporting on the accuser's polygraph results. If the polygraph results support the allegation, then this will be very big news. If it would not make big news to you, then say so. I asked for opinions. I did not accuse.

In regard to the President. It is unfortunate that we have a president that does not represent himself well in speech. This is a fundamental part of presidential politics. He must be able to gain the support of a nation. This is done with communication skill, not managerial skills.

This is why Romney failed so miserably. He tried to convince everyone that what the country needs in a president is a great manager. That seems fundamentally wrong. What the country needs is a great communicator. This apparently is where Obama excels. This is where Huckabee excels.

Unfortunately, it looks like the Democrats are likely to have their best communicator in the general election contest, whereas the Republicans will not. The Republicans will need to sell experience and ability (and hide personality flaws) while the Democrats will sell on speech. In presidential politics, usually speech wins.

If our current president could speak well, his approval ratings would be a few points higher.

Here's one for you Scotty: Don't look now, but while you were doing your best to sling the mud on Obama your boy McCain is now caught in a sex scandal with a lobbyist. Oh and by the way unlike the smutt you're trying to slime Obama with the dirt on McCain is TRUE!!!!:

http://www.local6.com/politics/15360264/detail.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us...in&oref=slogin

[scottwww]

Originally Posted by BKsBimmer

Here's one for you Scotty: Don't look now, but while you were doing your best to sling the mud on Obama your boy McCain is now caught in a sex scandal with a lobbyist. Oh and by the way unlike the smutt you're trying to slime Obama with the dirt on McCain is TRUE!!!!:

http://www.local6.com/politics/15360264/detail.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us...in&oref=slogin

McCain is not my boy. I support the Huckabee for President campaign.

If this NY Times story about McCain's blonde lobbyist turns out to be describing a true affair, then I wouldn't be so certain how much it would hurt him. Many of us already knew he was a playboy even while married after returning from captivity. This is not a big surprise except that he may have more energy left in him than his years would indicate.

Until the preponderence of evidence is that this would affect his performance in the White House, I don't know that it would be considered a campaign killer. Since both McCain and the lady deny the allegations, it may be difficult to make much of it. Although the news media does tend to beat a drum until it breaks.

If this benefits his opponent for the nomination, then so be it. It really isn't much different than what we already knew of his character. Adultery and how he came to acquiring his third wife has already been a reason to object to him on moral grounds. This just places an exclamation mark on it for all to see since the news is rather current, rather than dredged up.

[E82tt6]

I don't really care who any of the canidates slept with, especially not 8-10 years ago. Not something I'd ask a stranger to tell me about. Just my 2 cents.

[e90im]

Originally Posted by scottwww

McCain is not my boy. I support the Huckabee for President campaign.

If this NY Times story about McCain's blonde lobbyist turns out to be describing a true affair, then I wouldn't be so certain how much it would hurt him. Many of us already knew he was a playboy even while married after returning from captivity. This is not a big surprise except that he may have more energy left in him than his years would indicate.

Until the preponderence of evidence is that this would affect his performance in the White House, I don't know that it would be considered a campaign killer. Since both McCain and the lady deny the allegations, it may be difficult to make much of it. Although the news media does tend to beat a drum until it breaks.

If this benefits his opponent for the nomination, then so be it. It really isn't much different than what we already knew of his character. Adultery and how he came to acquiring his third wife has already been a reason to object to him on moral grounds. This just places an exclamation mark on it for all to see since the news is rather current, rather than dredged up.

McCain and "blonde"???
Q: Who cares?
A: Religious hypocrats that use crystal meth while blowing a male prostitute! Wide stance my ass....

Huckabee and the like are cancers of the freethinking society.

[scottwww]

Anybody want to hazard a guess at what will be the results?

BREAKING NEWS - Larry Sinclair Completed 4 Hour Polygraph Test Today
2/22/2008 8:45 PM

Due to security concerns, we had to move the Larry Sinclair Polygraph up a few days. We conducted it in secret today and the picture to the left is from one of the two arduous polygraphs Sinclair underwent today.

The process took four grueling hours, testing Sinclair's claims of sex and drug use separately and also including a drug screening to ensure that Sinclair didn't enlist any chemical assistance.

The results are being confirmed by a second expert and we'll have conclusive word, along with video of the whole thing, Monday or Tuesday. Check back then for more, including video the tests and, of course, the results.

[De90man]

Huckabee!!....so you want a preacher in the oval office?? Lost me right there dude...

...Any and every situation (poor, rich, single mother, being a great dad, muslim school, public school, drug use caused by self-doubt, ivy league, living abroad, community activism, multi-racial parents, etc) Obama has lived and transcended.


He is every man and womans candidate...and that is soooo plain to see. And that is why he is winning. No smoke and mirrors...he is the real deal and you know it.

[e90im]

Hillary Farts During Live Debate

[Los Angeles]

Originally Posted by e90im

Hillary Farts During Live Debate

OMG! Hillarious! That video needs its own thread!

Jesus! I can't stop laughing at the reactions from Edwards, Obama and the crowd.

Nice find!

[scottwww]

Barack Obama: There Will Be Bamboozling

[BKsBimmer]

Originally Posted by scottwww

Barack Obama: There Will Be Bamboozling

Yes, but will there be "Straight Talk" or "Double Talk"?

] John McCain: Double Talk Express
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[E82tt6]

Originally Posted by scottwww

Anybody want to hazard a guess at what will be the results?

They'll be faked?

I dunno why you keep posting up this bogus news story from an ex-porno site. It's even less believable than the swiftboating nonesense from the last election.

[scottwww]

Originally Posted by scottwww

Anybody want to hazard a guess at what will be the results?

Originally Posted by E82tt6

They'll be faked?

I dunno why you keep posting up this bogus news story from an ex-porno site. It's even less believable than the swiftboating nonesense from the last election.

No swiftboating? I am willing to accept that the polygraph results are indicative of the accuser being a liar.

If the results had gone the other way, I suppose you would have been claiming a rigged test.

It could be just as easily said by those who would like to convict Obama in the court of public opinion that the "ex-porn site" would be predisposed toward promoting an Obama candidacy.

I would accept the results at face value. I didn't believe the accuser in the first place, but it was potentially a very big story if the guy had passed the polygraph. It illustrates that you can't believe accusers without sufficient evidence. Many accusations should not be ignored, either.

The initial results are in:

Dr. Ed Gelb, Former President of the American Polygraph Association was the Polygraph expert selected by Whitehouse.com. He has done over 30,000 polygraph examinations over his long career. There were two polygraph tests administered by Dr. Gelb on Friday. the first polygraph asked Mr. Sinclair on his sex claims. The second polygraph test asked Mr. Sinclair on the drug use claims. There was deception indicated in both tests...

When we receive the second expert's conclusions we will post those results as well.

[E82tt6]

True, I suppose. I just can't figure the whole thing out. As far as I can tell the site is under the same old management. They don't cover any news. They seem to have dedicated it completely to this story, and I'm not sure what their motivation is.

You must admit, given the site's background, any information from there would be immediately suspect.

Edit: Wikipedia page on the history of the website. I would call it a dubious source of information at best, and I'm honestly not even sure that they ever polygraphed anyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com

[e90im]

STFU scotty...

[ianbiz]

I think he has a good chance of winning.

[scottwww]

In November, if it's Barak Obama headlining the ticket for the Democrats, just write in "present" for your vote.

It's a good way to object to provisions in the election that you might otherwise support.

Go Hillary!

[e90im]

Originally Posted by scottwww

In November, if it's Barak Obama headlining the ticket for the Democrats, just write in "present" for your vote.

It's a good way to object to provisions in the election that you might otherwise support.

Go Hillary!

Are you telling people how to vote now?

[imolazhp_ci]

you are the most stupid republican on earth and have absolutely no grounding regarding the basis of "your" party if you would really rather have Hillary than Obama. have you ever taken a political science class? what is your career? profressional clueless guy? it's idiots like you that give me a bad name.

[e90im]

[scottwww]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

you are the most stupid republican on earth and have absolutely no grounding regarding the basis of "your" party if you would really rather have Hillary than Obama. have you ever taken a political science class? what is your career? profressional clueless guy? it's idiots like you that give me a bad name.

I assume you directed your address to me. Just call me the professional clueless guy. I have been called worse.

From your post I can't tell if you are a Republican (as you indicated) or just wanted to push for a response. Either way, I'll give you a response.

There are good arguments on both sides for which Democrat would more easily be beaten in the general election by John McCain. I loathe Hillary Rodham Clinton. Of anyone who could be in the Oval Office, she is the one I would dread. I would have to avoid the news. I would have to avoid the radio. I would have to avoid anything that was likely to have her voice harassing the public.

Hillary Clinton has the highest negatives of anyone who was in the race for the nomination whether we are talking about the Republicans or the Democrats. This would indicate significant weakness. There are many people in the Democrats who have come to despise Hillary and love Obama. There are many who idolize Obama. He can speak pretty well. He would be more difficult to attack without public outcry about attacking him because he is a minority. This is not so for Hillary. She is not a minority, and may not even be considered a woman.

Having said that, Obama is extremely weak on experience. However, the electorate (at least in the Democrats) are largely dismissing that as a handicap. Many would say his race will work against him (though I think he gains as much from some voters as he loses from others). Obama has been largely untested. The Clinton machine hardly attacked him. Nobody really knows what kind of metal he is made of. Uncertainty is risky for both sides.

These notes are just a few random thoughts on the subject. Talking to a Republican, it is difficult to know who would be the weaker opponent. I know how I would attack Hillary. I don't know very well how I would attack Obama. The Obamamania resembles a hypnotic frenzy. When I hear him speak, I don't see why they swoon. He seems rather boring. But some people are out of their heads for the guy. Maybe they pass out hallucinogens at the door. Nobody is like that about Clinton.

On the debate stage, though McCain would have the upper hand on the issues, delivery counts as much as substance in our pop media centric culture. Though I don't despise Obama as I do Hillary, his extreme lack of experience and uncertainty about how the Republican might fare against him makes me nervous for the future of this great country. If Obama were in the White House, we could survive, or we could die a horrible death. With Hillary, we would survive, though it would be very ugly.

I'd rather minimize the risk the nation would sustain in a Republican loss. However, I am torn between killing the witch now to make sure it is a done deal, or having to kill the witch later. But the choice is for them who are voting in the Democrat primaries.

I would love to see the Democrat race go all the way to the convention. I would love to see Hillary win it based on the Superdelegates. That would be delicious to see the Democrats eat their own in the aftermath.

BTW: Chances are that I will not be voting for a Republican presidential candidate this year. That chance is equal to the chance that Governor Huckabee will not be on the ballot. It seems the Republican party has lost it's identity and I likely will be supporting the Constitution Party. Though I have been a Republican since about 1982, that is ending soon.

Who do you think would be more likely to win in a race against McCain?

[Los Angeles]

Originally Posted by scottwww

In November, if it's Barak Obama headlining the ticket for the Democrats, just write in "present" for your vote.

It's a good way to object to provisions in the election that you might otherwise support.

Go Hillary!

Go Hil?

Originally Posted by e90im

STFU scotty...

[imolazhp_ci]

hillary simply can not beat mccain. latinos like him which are her biggest strong hold. old people like him which are her second largest supporting demographic. i am about 99% certain that Obama will be our next president... and i will most likely vote for him. the only kink depends on how many votes, depending on how active he is, nader can steal... but i don't think the margin between mccain/obama is small enough for nader to make a difference. mccain and hillary and nader, mccain will win, no questions asked.