3% Finance Offer for New 3-Series Sedan - Page 2 - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

jctg · 11-17-2012, 09:06 AM

Full circle means I can hand the keys back after 4 years and walk away, not having to worry what the car is worth against the balloon lump sum.

I was told if the car is worth more then I get the difference when I trade it in. That I will believe only when I see it.

dcg71 · 11-17-2012, 02:46 PM

Do you have a km limit with full circle?

jctg · 11-17-2012, 07:33 PM

Yeah 15,000 km per year.

J1n · 11-17-2012, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jctg

Full circle means I can hand the keys back after 4 years and walk away, not having to worry what the car is worth against the balloon lump sum.

I was told if the car is worth more then I get the difference when I trade it in. That I will believe only when I see it.

I'm sure the diff works both ways right. If you drive more its worth less too right. Isn't that pretty similar to balloon payments??

Pros and cons anyone would like to share?

jctg · 11-18-2012, 01:09 AM

Well the way I see it is this:

Let's say my 40% balloon after 4 years is 35k. I walk into the original dealership to trade it in for another BMW when the current lease is up. I would imagine they would have access to the amount of my balloon before they tell me how much the car is worth - so what is the incentive for them to say my car is actually worth 38k so here is another 3k towards your new car? If the car is worth less then it is just a BMW Finance problem.

Maybe I am just being overly cynical.

Another thing about full circle - I have got 60,000km over 4 years. I am allowed an extra 5,000km, but at a cost of 75 cents per km. Over that and full circle thing is nullified.

dcg71 · 11-18-2012, 03:17 AM

I'd look at the payout figure 6 months before the end of the contract and then consider selling it privately. You'll probably end up ahead of the full circle value.

RonBurgundy · 11-18-2012, 03:56 AM

Very interested to read this as I'm looking at an F30 at the moment.

A question to those who have taken advantage of this 3% finance offer:
Was the dealer still willing to do a deal on the car you bought?

I generally try to factor in a rough figure of 8-10% discount on the quoted driveaway price although this is highly variable depending on how many options have been selected. I've been aware of other finance offers where the dealer hardly discounts on the quoted price saying that you're already making big savings by paying less interest on the car

jctg · 11-18-2012, 04:55 AM

Basically what they said was that if you want to haggle on price then the 3% is not applicable. But at the end of the day they want to move cars so there is some leeway. Just not as much as you would off normal finance. I managed to knock a little over $100 off my monthly repayment from the first figure they gave me. So over 48 months that is still almost $5k.

I don't think they will go for 8 - 10% because they would have to lose money on 3% interest.

The other thing is they would try to flog you a 320d or 320i - they are very slow moving so who knows what they might be willing to do?

Good luck with your negotiation.

J1n · 11-18-2012, 07:44 AM

Spoke to my dealer and he told me interest paid over amount borrowed is more if one was to op for a balloon payment. I usually just ask the financier which option give me the smallest interest payable and go with that.

RonBurgundy · 11-18-2012, 06:08 PM

Thanks jctg. That's very useful to know. If you managed to haggle $100 off the monthly repayment that's still nearly 7% off a $75000 car. So clearly there is still some room to move on price even with the 3% finance deal

bcoz · 11-18-2012, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonBurgundy

I've been aware of other finance offers where the dealer hardly discounts on the quoted price saying that you're already making big savings by paying less interest on the car

I got the offer (the original letter and a follow-up email on 16 Nov) but am not currently in the market. The letter and email both state that it is available with other offers:

Quote:

"Complete with the peace of mind that only comes from BMW Full Circle finance with Guaranteed Future Value, this one of a kind offer is available in conjunction with all other offers and negotiations..."

jctg · 11-18-2012, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonBurgundy

Thanks jctg. That's very useful to know. If you managed to haggle $100 off the monthly repayment that's still nearly 7% off a $75000 car. So clearly there is still some room to move on price even with the 3% finance deal

Maybe I should add that I got my a$$ handed to me on the trade in of my X1. They valued it at 35k - the car is 2 years and 3 months old with 23,000k (plus 18 inch staggered Alloys, Leather, Bi-Xenon, X-line and Sunroof) on it. I bought it for 68k.

So they are going to make a killing out of giving it a wash (and repair scratched rims), parking it on the lot and putting a $48k sticker on it.

I think that is a factor as well.

11-17-2012, 02:46 PM	#24
dcg71 Captain Drives: F30 335i Sport BSM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 739 iTrader: (2)	Do you have a km limit with full circle? __________________ ------------------------------ 2012 F30 335i Sapphire Black Sport Line \| ///M Performance Exhaust \| H&R Sport \| ///M Performance 405M Wheels \| ///M Performance Grilles 2006 E92 325i Titan Silver 2000 E46 318i Cosmos Black

11-18-2012, 03:17 AM	#28
dcg71 Captain Drives: F30 335i Sport BSM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 739 iTrader: (2)	I'd look at the payout figure 6 months before the end of the contract and then consider selling it privately. You'll probably end up ahead of the full circle value. __________________ ------------------------------ 2012 F30 335i Sapphire Black Sport Line \| ///M Performance Exhaust \| H&R Sport \| ///M Performance 405M Wheels \| ///M Performance Grilles 2006 E92 325i Titan Silver 2000 E46 318i Cosmos Black

11-18-2012, 03:56 AM	#29
RonBurgundy New Member Drives: - Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 22 iTrader: (0)	Very interested to read this as I'm looking at an F30 at the moment. A question to those who have taken advantage of this 3% finance offer: Was the dealer still willing to do a deal on the car you bought? I generally try to factor in a rough figure of 8-10% discount on the quoted driveaway price although this is highly variable depending on how many options have been selected. I've been aware of other finance offers where the dealer hardly discounts on the quoted price saying that you're already making big savings by paying less interest on the car __________________ BMW 135i N54, AW/CR, 6MT, iDrive, Sunroof

11-18-2012, 06:08 PM	#32
RonBurgundy New Member Drives: - Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 22 iTrader: (0)	Thanks jctg. That's very useful to know. If you managed to haggle $100 off the monthly repayment that's still nearly 7% off a $75000 car. So clearly there is still some room to move on price even with the 3% finance deal __________________ BMW 135i N54, AW/CR, 6MT, iDrive, Sunroof

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11-17-2012, 09:06 AM	#23
jctg Private First Class Drives: F30 328i Sport BSM Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 131 iTrader: (0)	Full circle means I can hand the keys back after 4 years and walk away, not having to worry what the car is worth against the balloon lump sum. I was told if the car is worth more then I get the difference when I trade it in. That I will believe only when I see it.

11-17-2012, 07:33 PM	#25
jctg Private First Class Drives: F30 328i Sport BSM Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 131 iTrader: (0)	Yeah 15,000 km per year.

11-18-2012, 01:09 AM	#27
jctg Private First Class Drives: F30 328i Sport BSM Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 131 iTrader: (0)	Well the way I see it is this: Let's say my 40% balloon after 4 years is 35k. I walk into the original dealership to trade it in for another BMW when the current lease is up. I would imagine they would have access to the amount of my balloon before they tell me how much the car is worth - so what is the incentive for them to say my car is actually worth 38k so here is another 3k towards your new car? If the car is worth less then it is just a BMW Finance problem. Maybe I am just being overly cynical. Another thing about full circle - I have got 60,000km over 4 years. I am allowed an extra 5,000km, but at a cost of 75 cents per km. Over that and full circle thing is nullified.

11-18-2012, 04:55 AM	#30
jctg Private First Class Drives: F30 328i Sport BSM Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 131 iTrader: (0)	Basically what they said was that if you want to haggle on price then the 3% is not applicable. But at the end of the day they want to move cars so there is some leeway. Just not as much as you would off normal finance. I managed to knock a little over $100 off my monthly repayment from the first figure they gave me. So over 48 months that is still almost $5k. I don't think they will go for 8 - 10% because they would have to lose money on 3% interest. The other thing is they would try to flog you a 320d or 320i - they are very slow moving so who knows what they might be willing to do? Good luck with your negotiation.

11-18-2012, 07:44 AM	#31
J1n Major Drives: F30 328 MSport Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,274 iTrader: (0)	Spoke to my dealer and he told me interest paid over amount borrowed is more if one was to op for a balloon payment. I usually just ask the financier which option give me the smallest interest payable and go with that.