F30POST
F30POST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > Technical Forums > Suspension | Chassis | Brakes > M Sport Performance Suspension - Labor hours
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-17-2013, 09:23 PM   #397
Maz335i
BMW 4 Life...
 
Maz335i's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i M Sport (Special Ed)
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Mississauga, Ontario

Posts: 2,657
iTrader: (0)

Wow! I'm always impressed with the stance of the M Perf suspension.

I'm very happy with my car which is currently on the H&R Sport Springs and I now feel the M Perf Suspension is almost the same in terms of the drop...

Does anyone agree with me?

I don't want to slam my car but the springs I currently have; has brought my car as low as I would like it to be. I'm just afraid the M Perf. suspension might bring the car slightly higher for my taste but the picture above doesn't show that.

I'm confused yet again...
__________________
MODS: *** / M Sport + Performance / Meisterschaft / Challenge / MORR / more to come! ***
Maz335i is offline   Canada
Reply With Quote
      05-17-2013, 09:51 PM   #398
shivaswrath
Colonel
 
shivaswrath's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Norwalk CT

Posts: 2,044
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maz335i View Post
Wow! I'm always impressed with the stance of the M Perf suspension.

I'm very happy with my car which is currently on the H&R Sport Springs and I now feel the M Perf Suspension is almost the same in terms of the drop...

Does anyone agree with me?

I don't want to slam my car but the springs I currently have; has brought my car as low as I would like it to be. I'm just afraid the M Perf. suspension might bring the car slightly higher for my taste but the picture above doesn't show that.

I'm confused yet again...
20mm versus 30-40 mm for the H&R.

It really depends on how long you want to go. I wanted to be able to daily drive, H&R was too low for me...
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|M Sport 400M|BMWF30.com
335i brakes FS!
shivaswrath is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
      05-17-2013, 10:12 PM   #399
335i-SG
Second Lieutenant
 
335i-SG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Miami

Posts: 258
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by shivaswrath View Post
yeah it's actually pretty bad...i started with the M Perf Suspension, and as you can tell from my signature, I pretty much bought everything else.

of ALL the things I've added, in order of sheer joy (and bang for buck):
1. $1200 I spent on PPK
2. ~$2200 on the M Performance Suspension
3. $2500 on the brakes.

So if I was being tight with the $$, I'd skip #3 if I were you and just do the PPK.
Yup, i'm thinking PPK & M Perf exhaust next. Performance parts first!
335i-SG is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
      05-17-2013, 10:24 PM   #400
Maz335i
BMW 4 Life...
 
Maz335i's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i M Sport (Special Ed)
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Mississauga, Ontario

Posts: 2,657
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 335i-SG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maz335i View Post
Wow! I'm always impressed with the stance of the M Perf suspension.

I'm very happy with my car which is currently on the H&R Sport Springs and I now feel the M Perf Suspension is almost the same in terms of the drop...

Does anyone agree with me?

I don't want to slam my car but the springs I currently have; has brought my car as low as I would like it to be. I'm just afraid the M Perf. suspension might bring the car slightly higher for my taste but the picture above doesn't show that.

I'm confused yet again...
Here is my car when I had the H&R Sports. My opinion, M Performance Suspension drives day and night better. H&R Sports are lower in height, especially in the front, but I found it almost to low for everyday driving.
Thanks man!

I think you're the best person for a review since I'm also using the same springs you had previously.

The look with the springs is simply awesome! There's no doubt about that! However you are correct that's it's not as comfortable as it should be.

I'm only trying to think what my best option would be. Coilovers or M Perf Suspension?

I love shivas explanation regarding warranty and therefore want to keep everything OEM, hence I'm seriously considering the M Suspension. However I'm not sure if I'm satisfied with the drop or not.

Anyway I've subscribed to this thread as I'm looking forward to a review from you!
__________________
MODS: *** / M Sport + Performance / Meisterschaft / Challenge / MORR / more to come! ***
Maz335i is offline   Canada
Reply With Quote
      05-21-2013, 02:19 PM   #401
shivaswrath
Colonel
 
shivaswrath's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Norwalk CT

Posts: 2,044
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 335i-SG View Post
Yup, i'm thinking PPK & M Perf exhaust next. Performance parts first!
Any updates on reviewing the two different setups (before and after)?
Inquiring minds want to know, thanks!
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|M Sport 400M|BMWF30.com
335i brakes FS!
shivaswrath is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
      05-21-2013, 11:18 PM   #402
335i-SG
Second Lieutenant
 
335i-SG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Miami

Posts: 258
iTrader: (0)

Post My opinion so far with M Performance Suspension:

Quote:
Originally Posted by shivaswrath View Post
Any updates on reviewing the two different setups (before and after)?
Inquiring minds want to know, thanks!
M Performance Suspension opinion:
- Much stiffer then my M-Sport Suspension.
- Little to no body role, laterally or when accelerating or breaking.
- Suspension feels firm and tight with a well-balanced compression and rebound.
- Feels like it always grips the road even on bumps and transitions.
- Confidence inspiring in corners and straight lines at faster speeds.
- Quicker lane changing.
- You feel more connected to the car and road.
- Acceptable drop for everyday driving and spirited driving.

Negatives:
- Wish it were a few (5-10mm) lower.
- Stiffness will create more creeks and noises in your car.
- Get rid of your hard run flats to bring some comfort back.
335i-SG is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
      05-22-2013, 07:12 PM   #403
335smooth
New Member
 
Drives: 335i
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Texas

Posts: 17
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 335i-SG View Post
M Performance Suspension opinion:
- Much stiffer then my M-Sport Suspension.
- Little to no body role, laterally or when accelerating or breaking.
- Suspension feels firm and tight with a well-balanced compression and rebound.
- Feels like it always grips the road even on bumps and transitions.
- Confidence inspiring in corners and straight lines at faster speeds.
- Quicker lane changing.
- You feel more connected to the car and road.
- Acceptable drop for everyday driving and spirited driving.

Negatives:
- Wish it were a few (5-10mm) lower.
- Stiffness will create more creeks and noises in your car.
- Get rid of your hard run flats to bring some comfort back.


I finally have a smile back (80%) when driving my car vs my previous e90. I just got my car back from the dealer after they installed the M Performance suspension.



I would like to add to the list above:

Positives
1) The steering feels so much better. Almost as if it tighten up with the newer suspension setup.
2)I finally feel confident in predicting the behavior of the car/suspension.

Negatives
1) The car has a slight bounce to it, which was a little unexpected vs the sports package suspension from e90 and f30.

Note that my car is a luxry line and the base suspension felt like a sailboat in the middle of the atlantic ocean.

I went from to in my facial expresion while driving.
335smooth is offline   Reply With Quote
      05-23-2013, 06:35 PM   #404
335smooth
New Member
 
Drives: 335i
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Texas

Posts: 17
iTrader: (0)

I was looking at my car today (admiring the drop) and am curious how much lower the car will go after the springs settle. It seems that the tires are flush or just tucked into the wheel well. I guess, spacers would not be a good idea.

Here are some quick pics:
Attached Images
   
335smooth is offline   Reply With Quote
      05-24-2013, 09:04 AM   #405
jtuds
Captain
 
Drives: 335i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: 1.5-2 hrs west of Toronto

Posts: 831
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nano10 View Post
Actually I did not choose to add m adaptive suspension but my configurator says I have it. If i have m adaptive then for now m performance is not an option. I actually called eibach today. They are in my area and need f30 for testing thier pro kit that is in development. I may go this route and if I dont like it go M performance. I had eibach on my scion TC and then my e90. Was happy both times.
Why is the M Performance suspension not an option if you have M adaptive?

EDIT - just realized it's not compatible with my car. Glad I wasted an hour reading this thread....

Last edited by jtuds; 05-24-2013 at 09:48 AM.
jtuds is offline   Canada
Reply With Quote
      05-27-2013, 09:53 PM   #406
bmrm396
Major
 
bmrm396's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 335i Sedan 6MT
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: sD, CA

Posts: 1,194
iTrader: (2)

does anyone know how they charge for install if you order the suspension as part of your car order, so its installed at the Port ... ? does going this route eliminate install costs?

about to add this to my build and want to hear someones experience before i go back to my SA
__________________
Formerly addicted to e46fanatics
bmrm396 is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
      05-28-2013, 08:07 AM   #407
shivaswrath
Colonel
 
shivaswrath's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Norwalk CT

Posts: 2,044
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmrm396 View Post
does anyone know how they charge for install if you order the suspension as part of your car order, so its installed at the Port ... ? does going this route eliminate install costs?

about to add this to my build and want to hear someones experience before i go back to my SA
Yes someone on the boards had it port installed and NO installation was charged...I would recommend this to all considering this part of their new build.
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|M Sport 400M|BMWF30.com
335i brakes FS!
shivaswrath is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
      05-28-2013, 04:16 PM   #408
Dinh335
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2004 RX8/2013 335 MSPORT 6MT
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Arlington VA

Posts: 387
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 335i-SG View Post
M Performance Suspension opinion:
- Much stiffer then my M-Sport Suspension.
- Little to no body role, laterally or when accelerating or breaking.
- Suspension feels firm and tight with a well-balanced compression and rebound.
- Feels like it always grips the road even on bumps and transitions.
- Confidence inspiring in corners and straight lines at faster speeds.
- Quicker lane changing.
- You feel more connected to the car and road.
- Acceptable drop for everyday driving and spirited driving.

Negatives:
- Wish it were a few (5-10mm) lower.
- Stiffness will create more creeks and noises in your car.
- Get rid of your hard run flats to bring some comfort back.
RE: you saying it was "much stiffer" than Msport suspension...how does it affect your daily driving and overall comfort level. Is it a 'good stiff' in the sense that the car feels "true oem sport suspension" or a stiffness like auto x sports car stiff? ...are you on Run flats now? How much stiffer is it compared to H&R?

thanks and congrats.
__________________
2013 335i Mineral Grey MSPORT 6MT/*M PERF POWER KIT* first on the forum!/
PREM/DAKOTA BLACK LEATHER/BURL/TECH/HEATED SEATS
Dinh335 is offline   Reply With Quote
      05-28-2013, 05:42 PM   #409
335i-SG
Second Lieutenant
 
335i-SG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Miami

Posts: 258
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinh335 View Post
RE: you saying it was "much stiffer" than Msport suspension...how does it affect your daily driving and overall comfort level. Is it a 'good stiff' in the sense that the car feels "true oem sport suspension" or a stiffness like auto x sports car stiff? ...are you on Run flats now? How much stiffer is it compared to H&R?

thanks and congrats.
It's hard to give percentages because each person is different in how they judge.

My opinion:
H&R Sports felt maybe 15% stiffer then M Sport with less body roll. For the 335i (N55 engine), the front springs and/or shock mix felt a bit soft to me creating a bit of a bounce effect in front end. I also felt the front was to low and I actually scrapped my lower bumper twice. I feel high speed performance decreased but it sure did look good.

M Performance Suspension feels like 25-30% stiffer than M Sport. Very little body roll and feels tight and balanced. Car is planted and grabs the road, especially in turns. Increase in high speed performance and handling over M Sport Suspension and H&R Sports.

I'm currently running OEM 403 19" rims with Run-flat tires and the road bumps, pothole covers, cracks, and road joints are definitely felt. I wouldn't say its harsh but definitely felt. I believe much of it is do to the hard sidewalls of run-flats. I'm getting non-runflats soon and I hear this makes a huge difference in comfort.

Overall i'm happy with the M Performance suspension over the dull and floaty M Sport Suspension. H&R's were good for price and look but I wanted more from my car especially at higher speeds and in handling.

I would like to hear opinions from others that also have the M Performance Suspension.
__________________
MODS: M Perf. Suspension / M Perf. Exhaust
335i-SG is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
      05-28-2013, 08:59 PM   #410
tojo_m
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: fast a F30 335i + PPK
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Chandler, AZ

Posts: 386
iTrader: (0)

Really tempted to get the m perf suspension, but not sure how much my local phoenix dealers will charge for the install. Also worried that my car anyway has too many squeaks and rattles even with the base suspension.
tojo_m is offline   Reply With Quote
      05-28-2013, 09:01 PM   #411
shivaswrath
Colonel
 
shivaswrath's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Norwalk CT

Posts: 2,044
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tojo_m View Post
Really tempted to get the m perf suspension, but not sure how much my local phoenix dealers will charge for the install. Also worried that my car anyway has too many squeaks and rattles even with the base suspension.
the squeaks and rattles will go up...
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|M Sport 400M|BMWF30.com
335i brakes FS!
shivaswrath is offline   United_States
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:35 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST