[Blake P]

Originally Posted by sfiermon

Well...the F31 (shipping today) DOES have the new navigation. This July tech change is something different.

Oh boy, I dunno then! Glad to hear we get the new Nav!
If this had to do with the M3 or F32 it would made the front page of bimmerpost already, but F31 gets no love...

[latebloomer]

Damn.. pricing my f31 wagon comes out to be 53-54k.. At first, I was like is this just for the wagon, then I price out similar f30 328xi sedan and it is like 52k. And then I price out the 335xi and it is 58k. It is not that much more for the 335xi.

Waiting for the diesel option and hoping it won't be near 60k! After looking at these cars, I feel like my c63 at 69k was a STEAL!!

A 60k diesel wagon is crazy! Unless it is the 5 series version... When vw jetta wagon tdi is like 27k.. Seems hard to justify double the price. I know I know, the 328 is a much better car.. but DOUBLE??

[AGF31]

... Volvo just today announced for the 2013 NYIAS that they will be bringing the V60 to the US.

It'll be available in R trim as well as a factory backed tune (by POLESTAR) bring total HP to 329HP!

... bet you that wont cost 60K!

[davem3fan]

Originally Posted by AGF31

... Volvo just today announced for the 2013 NYIAS that they will be bringing the V60 to the US.

It'll be available in R trim as well as a factory backed tune (by POLESTAR) bring total HP to 329HP!

... bet you that wont cost 60K!

All recent Volvos have been very pretty...
I'd test drive one, for sure.

[sfiermon]

Their interiors look like crap...especially the center stack

[AGF31]

Originally Posted by sfiermon

Their interiors look like crap...especially the center stack

... yeah better go with bangle/blender-inspired interior in the 3-series.

for 2014 Volvos comes with a tft configurable screen. Thats also means upgradeable via s/w updates. - its pretty cool. It changes display, whether your in eco, normal or sport modes.

The only *really* stunning interiors are in the new Porsches and ofcourse Audis.

[sfiermon]

Audi? Are you kidding...half the knobs are reused from VW. All the buttons "click"...can't stand that. Feels cheap.

[AGF31]

Originally Posted by sfiermon

Audi? Are you kidding...half the knobs are reused from VW. All the buttons "click"...can't stand that. Feels cheap.

... i guess thats why they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[Digtlartst]

Originally Posted by fredzy

The whole thing is wrong. No RWD, no manual. Stratospheric pricing. Average American BMW customers are rolling their eyes at me hard, but for us po-folk enthusiasts who can't afford an M3 AND a stupid SUV... damn this could have hit the spot.

I lose, peace out.

+1

Slushbox only, no manual, coarse 4-banger only, limited colors/interior packages, crazy-high pricing when you just add metallic, Premium and Cold. $55-large with no nav, no HID and no Sport. For a 3 touring?? Where is BMW going?

Can you imagine a wimpy, rattling 4-banger diesel with a slushbox in this wagon? What a disappointment.

Where can I buy a smooth 6L, 6MT sport wagon anymore? Are they gone forever?

[Salespunk]

Cadillac

[canbmw]

Where can I buy a smooth 6L, 6MT sport wagon anymore? Are they gone forever?

Europe. Obviously North Americans don't buy enough wagons for BMW and other makers to justify a number of engine and drivetrain options.

[turbolag]

Originally Posted by sfiermon

Their interiors look like crap...especially the center stack

What's wrong with Volvo interiors? I quite like the one in my 850 and the S60. At least it doesn't have creaky plastic like what people have been saying in the F30. The new XC90's center stack (2009) is awesome...the design is simple and has all the necessities. But then all the options I need in a car is just a radio, AC, and heated seats (something I only recently discovered )

The F31 is pretty pricy, it starts at only $2k less than the 335i RWD, and it's M Sport package is $750 more. The cold weather package is $50 more than the 335i's. It needs the $900 xenons, so it's nearly the cost of a equivalent 335i...but it does appear to have a panoramic roof standard in the 360 interior view, which is something I want. The extra space in the rear might be pretty useful, and there is a rear window wiper...random things that make me want it more than a 335i, despite this thing being AWD and 10mm higher. I'm quite tempted to like this car, just wondering if the i-4 is powerful enough and waiting for a refresh with more power and a fix for all the problems popping up...

[sfiermon]

Originally Posted by turbolag

What's wrong with Volvo interiors? I quite like the one in my 850 and the S60. At least it doesn't have creaky plastic like what people have been saying in the F30. The new XC90's center stack (2009) is awesome...the design is simple and has all the necessities. But then all the options I need in a car is just a radio, AC, and heated seats (something I only recently discovered )

The F31 is pretty pricy, it starts at only $2k less than the 335i RWD, and it's M Sport package is $750 more. The cold weather package is $50 more than the 335i's. It needs the $900 xenons, so it's nearly the cost of a equivalent 335i...but it does appear to have a panoramic roof standard in the 360 interior view, which is something I want. The extra space in the rear might be pretty useful, and there is a rear window wiper...random things that make me want it more than a 335i, despite this thing being AWD and 10mm higher. I'm quite tempted to like this car, just wondering if the i-4 is powerful enough and waiting for a refresh with more power and a fix for all the problems popping up...

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[Digtlartst]

Originally Posted by canbmw

Europe. Obviously North Americans don't buy enough wagons for BMW and other makers to justify a number of engine and drivetrain options.

A "number" meaning no options at all.

No need for every BMW dealer to stock a dozen wagons -- or any at all (although I think they'd sell if they were stocked). I can understand stopping all 4-banger 6MT x-drives for 3ers. But I can still Build a sedan 335x sedan with 6MT, but not a 335x touring -- why, because the rear end has a hatch?

[Blake P]

Originally Posted by Digtlartst

A "number" meaning no options at all.

No need for every BMW dealer to stock a dozen wagons -- or any at all (although I think they'd sell if they were stocked). I can understand stopping all 4-banger 6MT x-drives for 3ers. But I can still Build a sedan 335x sedan with 6MT, but not a 335x touring -- why, because the rear end has a hatch?

No, because it costs a lot of money for BMWNA to federalize each separate engine/drivetrain/body option. Obviously, they don't think it would be profitable to federalize a 335 touring or they would do it.

[AMB]

You know what's really amazing!?! Right now you can order an X1 with RWD! WTF, how does that happen!? Someone please explain that logic to me.

Wagon's are low volume vehicles in the states because BMW NA prices and neuters them out of contention.