[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

For the record I never made a racist remark but I think I know the post you are talking about. If thats why it got deleted then fine. I think the individual post could have been deleted instead of doing away with the entire conversation but thats just my opinion.

Some people jump at the chance to be offended and name call because they cant intelligently defend their position though.

But if you preach tolerance... shouldnt you tolerate intolerance??

lol jk.

Yup, we are talking about the same post. And I agree, I don't know why they deleted all of it. But no, there is no reason to tolerate intolerance. In any case, it is a private forum, and in the end they can do whatever they want.

I do believe we have some decent conversations around here, some people just like to push buttons, and sometimes I'm guilty of that as well. But if you cross a line you'll get an infraction... and I've gotten them before as well, mostly on the general and technical M3 forum though.

But a racist remark is just cheap.

[OldArmy]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Yup, we are talking about the same post. And I agree, I don't know why they deleted all of it. But no, there is no reason to tolerate intolerance. In any case, it is a private forum, and in the end they can do whatever they want.

I do believe we have some decent conversations around here, some people just like to push buttons, and sometimes I'm guilty of that as well. But if you cross a line you'll get an infraction... and I've gotten them before as well, mostly on the general and technical M3 forum though.

But a racist remark is just cheap.

I missed something evidently. May have been my OP that went south? Walk away from the computer for a day and just see what happens. This is a very sensitive board and clientele.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by OldArmy

I missed something evidently. May have been my OP that went south? Walk away from the computer for a day and just see what happens. This is a very sensitive board and clientele.

Yup, although I disagreed with your orginal post (nothing new ), it was a fair opinion.... unfortunately some members have nothing better to add than latent racism. And as always they have no idea why it was racist, even when I give them a heads up that this might be against forum rules.

Regarding your comment of this being a sensitive board and clientele... we all know that is not true. Look at some of my threads and posts. But if someone "criticizes" the (black) president, and use the words "hood", "smoking crack", and "living in a clean white house"... it is pretty obvious what they mean.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Yup, although I disagreed with your orginal post (nothing new ), it was a fair opinion.... unfortunately some members have nothing better to add than latent racism. And as always they have no idea why it was racist, even when I give them a heads up that this might be against forum rules.

Regarding your comment of this being a sensitive board and clientele... we all know that is not true. Look at some of my threads and posts. But if someone "criticizes" the (black) president, and use the words "hood", "smoking crack", and "living in a clean white house"... it is pretty obvious what they mean.

+1

I'm not overly sensitive, but blatant racism should never be acceptable IMO.

[BKsBimmer]

Wow, I can't believe I'm actually seeing thoughtful discourse on this forum that isn't descending into a shit storm. Congratulations, that's progress!

[Curt2000]

I'm a Christian, not an angry conservative. I believe that everyone has to make their own choice when it comes to what they believe in. Jesus's number one teaching was that brotherly love is universal, love your neighbor, love your enemy, honor your father/mother etc...In fact he challenged practically every social and racial prejudice there was at the time. He also contradicted and rescinded the 'old law' (Leviticus) which is what a lot of people cite when trying to refute Biblical teachings on Homosexuality i.e. don't eat shellfish, don't touch a woman while she is on her period, don't touch someone with boils or soars etc...Unlike the shellfish argument the issue of homosexuality was addressed again in the new testament. Bloggers have pontificated their interpretation of new testament references (Romans 1:26) to homosexuality as rules against prostitution not homosexuality but just because these interpretations are found on the internet doesn't mean they are true.

Bottom line with homosexuality and gay marriage is: Everywhere you find the word marriage in the Bible, the Hebrew word is literally defined as a union of a man and a woman, furthermore any fornication outside of wedlock is a sin...therefore since a man and a man cannot be married in a Biblical sense their fornication is a sin. The govt can issue whatever civil union legislature they want but to call that union a judeo-christian 'marriage' is not only not possible but is the meddling of the govt in church affairs.

Isaiah 5:20-23 best describes the gay marriage movements IMO, people who were raised with Christian values but want to justify their sins because it has evolved into an entire lifestyle.

So lets take a look at the plank in my own eye...rampant materialism...I'd say most Americans struggle with this and its become 'the American way' so its a lifestyle that I take part in every day that is in-fact a sin. Does this make me a hypocrite? Only if I am selective on who I show love to. I have my struggles and you have yours weather you admit them or not. I try to treat others as I would like to be treated regardless of their beliefs. This is what Jesus taught, not militant Bible beating! How can anyone see the merit in Christianity if they are constantly assaulted by its so-called faithful believers?

I've heard the 'Bible scoffed at inter racial marriages' argument as well...This is in reference to 2 Cor 6:14 but that passage has nothing to do with race...its warning against believers marrying non-believers (i.e. a Jew marrying a Muslim, there would be much discourse in a relationship with such theological differences). Only a racist will twist the verse by interpreting it in a way that advances their own prejudices...but since those kinds of people tend to blog online and you feel like quoting them to express your opinion of all Christians then so be it.

If you are interested in my opinions of the original topic they can be found here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=767370

[Desert_Fox]

This is why im sometimes embarrassed to tell people im a registered Republican or have right-wing views. I guess im part of that non-religious sect of the party...

[JAM3S]

You should be embarrassed to claim affiliation with any of the 2 major parties these days.....

Its turned into team sports and reality tv.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

You should be embarrassed to claim affiliation with any of the 2 major parties these days.....

Its turned into team sports and reality tv.

We agree on this.

[PINeely]

Just today in my state:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/miss-mayor-...ry?id=18614617

The man was openly gay and had a good shot at becoming the mayor of Clarksdale where I work sometimes.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by PINeely

Just today in my state:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/miss-mayor-...ry?id=18614617

The man was openly gay and had a good shot at becoming the mayor of Clarksdale where I work sometimes.

What does that mean?

[PINeely]

There's a lot of speculation that he was killed because he was gay and getting close to a political seat. Thought I'd add it since we were on the subject of gays and intolerance.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by PINeely

There's a lot of speculation that he was killed because he was gay and getting close to a political seat. Thought I'd add it since we were on the subject of gays and intolerance.

ah, didn't catch that...

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by PINeely

There's a lot of speculation that he was killed because he was gay and getting close to a political seat. Thought I'd add it since we were on the subject of gays and intolerance.

speculation by who? The investigators have stated they don't think it's a hate crime.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

speculation by who? The investigators have stated they don't think it's a hate crime.

Just people who I've talked to so far, however there is no precedent for a hate crime against gays in Mississippi so they wouldn't be able to call it that.

Miss. Code Ann. § 99-19-307
Penalty may be enhanced where the offense was committed by reason of the "actual or perceived race, color, ancestry, ethnicity, religion, national origin or gender of the victim."

The fact that they brought up hate crimes is likely because the victim was black, and there has been a lot of controversy about that going on here lately too:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/03/justic...ppi-hate-crime
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/05/justic...ppi-hate-crime
http://www.clarionledger.com/article...-hit-run-death

I plan to call Coahoma County SD when I get home and ask if they will clarify.

[Mr Tonka]

As far as i can see no "official" report has even mentioned that him being gay has anything to do with it. Granted, i'm not following it as closely as you are, i actually only read the article you posted. Seems from that no one has labeled it as a hate crime of any type.

A tragedy indeed, but lets not jump to him dying due to being gay.

[PINeely]

You're right, it probably is too early to speculate.

[JAM3S]

CNN is always trying to drum up the hate crime angle and start racial animosity. They are even bringing up the Trayvon Martin thing again and that "white"-hispanic who shot him.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

CNN is always trying to drum up the hate crime angle and start racial animosity. They are even bringing up the Trayvon Martin thing again and that "white"-hispanic who shot him.

They do, but the ones in the articles I posted were convicted of it.

[Mr Tonka]

I just don't know what's wrong with people anymore..... There are some messed up souls out there.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

I just don't know what's wrong with people anymore..... There are some messed up souls out there.