F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > Technical Forums > Suspension | Chassis | Brakes > 335i brakes on 328i
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-01-2013, 02:00 PM   #23
Ed335xi m
Private
 
Drives: 2011bmw x6 5.0
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York

Posts: 73
iTrader: (0)

The price for the M Performance Brake kit is $2,791.00 + $400 for the rear discs. So the total price is around $3,200 plus tax!!
Ed335xi m is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-01-2013, 02:05 PM   #24
Ed335xi m
Private
 
Drives: 2011bmw x6 5.0
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York

Posts: 73
iTrader: (0)

I just bought MPBK....waiting for delivery on my 335xi m sport. Swapping brakes as soon as the the car gets to the dealer. Looking to sell the stock 335 brakes....in the NYC area
Ed335xi m is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-01-2013, 02:12 PM   #25
Jamesons Viggen
Brigadier General
 
Drives: '98 M Roadster stg 2 S/C
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Jersey

Posts: 3,405
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed335xi m View Post
The price for the M Performance Brake kit is $2,791.00 + $400 for the rear discs. So the total price is around $3,200 plus tax!!
$2k for front and rear on eBay from local BMW dealers. So that's $1200 off.
__________________
'98 M Roadster stg 2+ S/C @ 13psi(cracking 500hp this summer) +'13 EBII M Sport 328i 6mtFOR SALE
Jamesons Viggen is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-03-2013, 10:53 PM   #26
ntalekt
Private
 
ntalekt's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 328i Sport
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: United States

Posts: 68
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 BMW 328i  [0.00]
2005 Jetta GLI  [0.00]
I'm still waiting for the coding info from my dealership. They sent me the information and quote for the M-Performance brakes and I had to explain that I wanted the 335i brakes. Will let you know when they get back to me.
ntalekt is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 06:43 AM   #27
mikew2069
Major
 
mikew2069's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Houston

Posts: 1,302
iTrader: (1)

If you were to buy an aftermarket Brembo BBK, they wouldn't be able to code for that.
__________________
2013 F30 335i ///M-Sport
Forgestar/Challenge/BMS JB4
Wagner/Evo Race/M-Performance
mikew2069 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 09:40 AM   #28
ntalekt
Private
 
ntalekt's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 328i Sport
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: United States

Posts: 68
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 BMW 328i  [0.00]
2005 Jetta GLI  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikew2069 View Post
If you were to buy an aftermarket Brembo BBK, they wouldn't be able to code for that.
So you're saying they don't need to code for the 335i brakes?
ntalekt is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 10:41 AM   #29
mikew2069
Major
 
mikew2069's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Houston

Posts: 1,302
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ntalekt View Post
So you're saying they don't need to code for the 335i brakes?
I'm not 100% certain on this but my logic tells me:

They don't even have an option to code for them. They can go in and code for the M Performance brakes but you don't really have that so they would probably prefer to just leave it as it is. I think when they go to code, its either "stock" or "Mperformance."
__________________
2013 F30 335i ///M-Sport
Forgestar/Challenge/BMS JB4
Wagner/Evo Race/M-Performance
mikew2069 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 10:59 AM   #30
Jamesons Viggen
Brigadier General
 
Drives: '98 M Roadster stg 2 S/C
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Jersey

Posts: 3,405
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikew2069 View Post
I'm not 100% certain on this but my logic tells me:

They don't even have an option to code for them. They can go in and code for the M Performance brakes but you don't really have that so they would probably prefer to just leave it as it is. I think when they go to code, its either "stock" or "Mperformance."
An interesting test would be, some people have driven after the MP install and no coding. If there is a noticeable difference in before and after coding, that would say a lot to me about other alternatives. If the difference is tiny, negligible even, then screw it and have the freedom to do aftermarket or 328 to 335 upgrades and not concern yourself with coding at all.
__________________
'98 M Roadster stg 2+ S/C @ 13psi(cracking 500hp this summer) +'13 EBII M Sport 328i 6mtFOR SALE
Jamesons Viggen is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 11:02 AM   #31
mikew2069
Major
 
mikew2069's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Houston

Posts: 1,302
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen View Post
An interesting test would be, some people have driven after the MP install and no coding. If there is a noticeable difference in before and after coding, that would say a lot to me about other alternatives. If the difference is tiny, negligible even, then screw it and have the freedom to do aftermarket or 328 to 335 upgrades and not concern yourself with coding at all.
From what I've seen and read from other members, there isn't much of a difference after the coding. It seems like the proper bleeding of the brakes is what does it.

My gut tells me that coding can't make much of a difference here. It's the superior equipment that making the difference. Larger rotors and calipers baby!
__________________
2013 F30 335i ///M-Sport
Forgestar/Challenge/BMS JB4
Wagner/Evo Race/M-Performance
mikew2069 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 01:30 PM   #32
shivaswrath
Colonel
 
shivaswrath's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lost in NJ

Posts: 2,798
iTrader: (3)

I suspect the coding has something to do with the e-brake controller/balance...I'm positive the ECU has something to do with that, ABS, etc...

All those electronic gimmicry-items will be slightly different if you have lighter calipers and rotors on the receiving end.
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|M Sport 400M|BMWF30.com
shivaswrath is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 01:33 PM   #33
mikew2069
Major
 
mikew2069's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Houston

Posts: 1,302
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by shivaswrath View Post
I suspect the coding has something to do with the e-brake controller/balance...I'm positive the ECU has something to do with that, ABS, etc...

All those electronic gimmicry-items will be slightly different if you have lighter calipers and rotors on the receiving end.
Very true
__________________
2013 F30 335i ///M-Sport
Forgestar/Challenge/BMS JB4
Wagner/Evo Race/M-Performance
mikew2069 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 11:09 PM   #34
Rossifumi
Major
 
Rossifumi's Avatar
 
Drives: F30
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Europe

Posts: 1,390
iTrader: (0)

The coding you do when you add the M Performance brakes are to update the DSC.
Rossifumi is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      04-04-2013, 11:11 PM   #35
ntalekt
Private
 
ntalekt's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 328i Sport
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: United States

Posts: 68
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 BMW 328i  [0.00]
2005 Jetta GLI  [0.00]
Dealership is still researching. Not sure I'll be able to get this done if they can't figure out the coding.
ntalekt is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-05-2013, 12:51 AM   #36
pnosker
ti fan
 
Drives: 2008 135i
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NJ

Posts: 239
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2008 BMW 135i  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ntalekt View Post
Dealership is still researching. Not sure I'll be able to get this done if they can't figure out the coding.
Coding isn't necessary. The reason it's necessary moving from the 335i brakes to the M Performance brakes is because rotor diameter increases. Because of this, the effective angular acceleration changes and needs to be re-calibrated for the same brake bias per wheel for regular braking and DTC.

The 335i brakes and 328i brakes share the same rotor diameter so this is not necessary for this swap. The changes are the pad compound and caliper.
pnosker is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-05-2013, 07:38 AM   #37
Jamesons Viggen
Brigadier General
 
Drives: '98 M Roadster stg 2 S/C
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Jersey

Posts: 3,405
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by pnosker View Post
Coding isn't necessary. The reason it's necessary moving from the 335i brakes to the M Performance brakes is because rotor diameter increases. Because of this, the effective angular acceleration changes and needs to be re-calibrated for the same brake bias per wheel for regular braking and DTC.

The 335i brakes and 328i brakes share the same rotor diameter so this is not necessary for this swap. The changes are the pad compound and caliper.
Where are you seeing that 328 and 335 have the same rotor diameters? 335, off the top of my head has rotors about 1" larger, 13.4 vs 12.4-12.8" for the 328.
__________________
'98 M Roadster stg 2+ S/C @ 13psi(cracking 500hp this summer) +'13 EBII M Sport 328i 6mtFOR SALE
Jamesons Viggen is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-05-2013, 05:55 PM   #38
mikew2069
Major
 
mikew2069's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Houston

Posts: 1,302
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossifumi View Post
The coding you do when you add the M Performance brakes are to update the DSC.
If that is true, then coding is basically optional for any brake swap. It makes sense though. In the past, I've known several people to upgrade to BBKs and never have to worry about coding.

I know cars these days are more sophisticated but at the end of the day, you press your brakes and your equipment reacts. Larger discs/calipers with higher quality pads are going to perform better. Coding or not.
__________________
2013 F30 335i ///M-Sport
Forgestar/Challenge/BMS JB4
Wagner/Evo Race/M-Performance
mikew2069 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      04-05-2013, 07:19 PM   #39
shivaswrath
Colonel
 
shivaswrath's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lost in NJ

Posts: 2,798
iTrader: (3)

So unsure what they actually did for coding, but a few annoying items were reset, all focused on personal settings:
1. 12h changed to 24h in the clock settings.
2. CA/Clicker lock became driver's side only (not all doors)
3. Lock beep was reset to 'beep' from silent.

So...clearly something was overwritten, not everything...annoying for sure.
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|M Sport 400M|BMWF30.com
shivaswrath is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      04-05-2013, 11:06 PM   #40
Rossifumi
Major
 
Rossifumi's Avatar
 
Drives: F30
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Europe

Posts: 1,390
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikew2069 View Post
If that is true, then coding is basically optional for any brake swap. It makes sense though. In the past, I've known several people to upgrade to BBKs and never have to worry about coding.

I know cars these days are more sophisticated but at the end of the day, you press your brakes and your equipment reacts. Larger discs/calipers with higher quality pads are going to perform better. Coding or not.
That is what my dealer told me, also GetBmwParts says the same on their product page.

http://www.getbmwparts.com/partlocat...catalogid=4462
Rossifumi is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      04-06-2013, 06:56 AM   #41
mikew2069
Major
 
mikew2069's Avatar
 
Drives: F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Houston

Posts: 1,302
iTrader: (1)

Well there you have it...
__________________
2013 F30 335i ///M-Sport
Forgestar/Challenge/BMS JB4
Wagner/Evo Race/M-Performance
mikew2069 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:55 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST