What is the next step after Stage 1 BMS tuning - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

WLF · 02-15-2013, 05:35 AM

Hey guys,
this is my first BMW so sorry for my ignorance. But after i install the BMS tuning kit what should i buy/install to get more power?

David328M-Sport · 02-15-2013, 07:53 AM

Nothing, which will give you the same 'bang for bucks' (as the saying goes) compared to your BMS JB1. You could, of course, team it up with a performance exhaust, but from what I have read, 'performance' is a bit of a misnomer.

Sure you might get a few whp and extra torques, but the performance part is mainly vocal performance from the exhaust note. Nothing to scoff at, but not going to enhance acceleration performance terribly much, if at all. Not really designed for it.

There are intake upgrades, but again, not much in the performance gains there either. However, teaming all these upgrades together should add to the seat of the pants feeling of extra overall performance.

Don't forget to use the best RON fuel you can get your hands on.

Jamesons Viggen · 02-15-2013, 10:53 AM

A catback exhaust will help(mine dyno'd at 7whp/20ftlbs of tq), and if you want to go for more, a downpipe and then wait for the BMS stage 2 tune. You will be knocking on the door of 300whp and approach the high 12's at 106+mph.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-15-2013, 12:18 PM

Add a downpipe and/or wait for Stage2.

Mike

slmdgee · 02-15-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Add a downpipe and/or wait for Stage2.

Mike

Let me know how that stage 2 will do, we got some golf r that need to learn their space.

WLF · 02-15-2013, 08:41 PM

Im having problems installing stage 1. my engine does not look like the one shown in the installation guide. Also i do not know how to unplug the negative battery source. Is there a video online that can help ?

Jamesons Viggen · 02-15-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by micta_7

Im having problems installing stage 1. my engine does not look like the one shown in the installation guide. Also i do not know how to unplug the negative battery source. Is there a video online that can help ?

That means you leave the first sensor alone and the rest should follow the guide.

You just need a 10mm socket to loosen the bolt of the negative terminal.

Casualvic · 02-15-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Add a downpipe and/or wait for Stage2.

Mike

How much will stage 2 cost if I already have the 1

David328M-Sport · 02-16-2013, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Casualvic

How much will stage 2 cost if I already have the 1

Stage 2 hasn't been developed yet.

pkim1079 · 02-19-2013, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by micta_7

Hey guys,
this is my first BMW so sorry for my ignorance. But after i install the BMS tuning kit what should i buy/install to get more power?

Practice driving to get the most out of your tune. A fast car with a slow driver is still slow isnt it? Anyone agree?

metrathon · 02-19-2013, 11:46 AM

That's not necessarily true. For example I don't want to race anybody, I just want lots of torque at low rpms.

WLF · 02-20-2013, 10:34 AM

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Practice driving to get the most out of your tune. A fast car with a slow driver is still slow isnt it? Anyone agree?

I said it is my first BMW not my first time driving a car LOL

Jeff_in_Oviedo · 02-20-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Casualvic

How much will stage 2 cost if I already have the 1

From http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18588,
"Initially the upgrade kit will be available only to automatic F30s who have the pneumatic boost solenoid. You'll add a few wires to the harness and replace the control box with the new JB4 module. We expect to price it the same as the E90 N55 Stage2 upgrade @ $175.".

So there you have it, $175 upgrade from stage 1 to stage 2.

David328M-Sport · 02-20-2013, 03:21 PM

Not N20.

///KM · 02-20-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff_in_Oviedo

From http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18588,
"Initially the upgrade kit will be available only to automatic F30s who have the pneumatic boost solenoid. You'll add a few wires to the harness and replace the control box with the new JB4 module. We expect to price it the same as the E90 N55 Stage2 upgrade @ $175.".

So there you have it, $175 upgrade from stage 1 to stage 2.

I think they're referring to the N55 Stage 2, and not the one for the N20?

The $175 upgrade is a point of reference so I'd expect an N20 one to cost the same.

Jeff_in_Oviedo · 02-20-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ///KM

I think they're referring to the N55 Stage 2, and not the one for the N20?

The $175 upgrade is a point of reference so I'd expect an N20 one to cost the same.

Sorry, Didn't see that you are N20. Like you suggest, the pricing is probably similar.

metrathon · 02-20-2013, 04:59 PM

So the N20 Stage 2 will also increase hp/lb-ft over Stage 1 or it will just add more features?

///KM · 02-20-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by metrathon

So the N20 Stage 2 will also increase hp/lb-ft over Stage 1 or it will just add more features?

I'd think there would be a hp/torque increase - otherwise it wouldn't be a "Stage 2". The issue is just how tapped out the turbo is already at the Stage 1 level, and I'm assuming this because stock boost pressure is around 18psi already.

How much more power can be squeezed out while being a safe/reliable tune?

topcat87 · 02-21-2013, 09:29 AM

Mods have been coming REALLY slow for the N20. Its such a big market i have no idea why are manufacturers dragging their feet on making products.

So far theres still no flash tune, no intercooler upgrade kits, and no oil cooler upgrade kits

Jamesons Viggen · 02-21-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by topcat87

Mods have been coming REALLY slow for the N20. Its such a big market i have no idea why are manufacturers dragging their feet on making products.

So far theres still no flash tune, no intercooler upgrade kits, and no oil cooler upgrade kits

Helix already did a fitting of an intercooler to their in house N20, so thats coming soon. There are 2 intakes, soon to be 4, 5-6 exhaust options, 3-4 tuning options, that is not bad. It's the suspension that is lagging, still no sway bars being offered.

topcat87 · 02-21-2013, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Helix already did a fitting of an intercooler to their in house N20, so thats coming soon. There are 2 intakes, soon to be 4, 5-6 exhaust options, 3-4 tuning options, that is not bad. It's the suspension that is lagging, still no sway bars being offered.

theres the msport suspension with sway bars

David328M-Sport · 02-21-2013, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metrathon

So the N20 Stage 2 will also increase hp/lb-ft over Stage 1 or it will just add more features?

Don't know. Hasn't been developed yet. Hoping for both

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metrathon Private First Class Drives: 2012 328i Sport Line Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Vista, SoCal Posts: 177 iTrader: (0)	That's not necessarily true. For example I don't want to race anybody, I just want lots of torque at low rpms. __________________ 2012 BMW 328i Sport \| 2009 Audi A4 2.0T \| 2007 BMW 750Li 2001 BMW 530i \| 2004 BMW 530i \| 2004 BMW 520i \| 2003 Opel Vectra \| 2002 Honda Civic \| 2002 Citroen Xsara

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WLF Private First Class Drives: n54 e92 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 147 iTrader: (0)	Im having problems installing stage 1. my engine does not look like the one shown in the installation guide. Also i do not know how to unplug the negative battery source. Is there a video online that can help ?

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