[Phaeron]

SO yesterday going down an offramp at 15mph on a road slated for 25mph my car's DTC was going nuts trying to keep the ass from breaking loose. Whenever it rains it is literally like i am driving on ice... Already lodged a complaint with BMW and have stopped driving the car until i get new tires.

Right now my 1984 Camry (that doesn't have traction control.) has better traction in the wet and cold then my 3... pretty sad.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

SO yesterday going down an offramp at 15mph on a road slated for 25mph my car's DTC was going nuts trying to keep the ass from breaking loose. Whenever it rains it is literally like i am driving on ice... Already lodged a complaint with BMW and have stopped driving the car until i get new tires.

Right now my 1984 Camry (that doesn't have traction control.) has better traction in the wet and cold then my 3... pretty sad.

Msports come with summer tires as standard.
AS tires are an option.
Have you checked to see if your tires as summer or AS?
If they are the OEM summer tires, then in cold weather they won't even handle wet conditions.

[Phaeron]

They are all-season not summer however my Z3 has Summer Yokohama Advans that are like 8 years old... yet the car has better stability then my F30....


I know a summer tire from an All Season. If I had gotten the summer tires they would have been the Bridgestones. The all season Pirellis are just crap... they are utter shit tires. How does a 328i with all-season tires nearly tale spin at 15mp down an off ramp when my Z3 has been driven in winter on summer tires and my camery has 195 uniroyals, doesn't have traction control, and can go down that same ramp at faster speed in the rain and at the same temp.


The issue here is I have an incredibly bad of tires where the compound seems to have the same compound as a Summer tire. They are honestly behaving like a set of Hankook Ventus RS-3s in winter and wet...

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

They are all-season not summer however my Z3 has Summer Yokohama Advans that are like 8 years old... yet the car has better stability then my F30....


I know a summer tire from an All Season. If I had gotten the summer tires they would have been the Bridgestones. The all season Pirellis are just crap... they are utter shit tires. How does a 328i with all-season tires nearly tale spin at 15mp down an off ramp when my Z3 has been driven in winter on summer tires and my camery has 195 uniroyals, doesn't have traction control, and can go down that same ramp at faster speed in the rain and at the same temp.


The issue here is I have an incredibly bad of tires where the compound seems to have the same compound as a Summer tire. They are honestly behaving like a set of Hankook Ventus RS-3s in winter and wet...

what sizes are your tires front and rear?

[Phaeron]

225 and 255. Staggered tires like the Z3.

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

225 and 255. Staggered tires like the Z3.

you have summer tires.

the cinturato comes in two flavors. all season and summer.

BMW only specs square all season setups.possible tires are the pirelli cinturato, contiprocontact ssr.
Cars with the sport package or Msport package get summer tires as default. all seasons are a no cost option, but change the Msport to a square setup. the Sport package is square by default already.

Staggered setups are summer only.possible tires are the bridgestone s001, pirelli cinturato, contisportcontact 5 ssr, goodyear efficientgrip run on flat, goodyear F1 rof, pirelli pzero, dunlop sp.

bmw does not do a factory all season staggered setup.

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

are you sure you have all seasons?
the pirelli cinturato P7 comes in two flavors, all season and summer...

this is the summer tire tread pattern:


this is the all season tread pattern:


by default the sport line comes with summer tires, all seasons are a no cost option.

[dd1981]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

you have summer tires.

the cinturato comes in two flavors. all season and summer.

bmw specs the all season version for square setups. possible tires are the pirelli cinturato, contiprocontact ssr
the staggered setups are summer tires.possible tires are the bridgestone s001, pirelli cinturato, contisportcontact 5 ssr, goodyear efficientgrip run on flat, goodyear F1 rof, pirelli pzero, dunlop sp.

bmw does not do a factory all season staggered setup.

Mine is a squared setup 225 all the way around, and I have all 4 tires in the 1st picture theyre the summer tires. What the hell

[Orient330iNYC]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Mine is a squared setup 225 all the way around, and I have all 4 tires in the 1st picture theyre the summer tires. What the hell

i misspoke slightly. i've clarified my original post.

all all season setups are square BUT not all square setups are all season.

all staggered setups are summer

you can have all season or summer for a square setup.
you can only have summer for a staggered setup (from the factory.)

[dd1981]

Originally Posted by Orient330iNYC

i misspoke slightly. i've clarified my original post.

all all season setups are square BUT not all square setups are all season.

all staggered setups are summer

you can have all season or summer for a square setup.
you can only have summer for a staggered setup (from the factory.)

Got ya I understand completely now. Thanks for the clarafication.

[Rick4345]

If it adds anymore to the confusion, look at the sidewalls. Mine say all season on them. I have Pirelli tires on.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Yes it ended up being I found put my Pirelli cinturatos are summer tires. This is the trouble. If it was the all season it would have been much better.

Thanks for putting up this thread. I was complaining the other day how easily the tires lost grip when it was cold and the road was wet. Almost unbearable at anything above 3k rpm at low speeds. Wheels would spin with hardly any throttle.

All this time I assumed they were all seasons (but wondering why my vin look up said I had the 155mph speed limiter). Now it all makes sense...

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Kampfer

225 and 255. Staggered tires like the Z3.

As the previous poster pointed out, you have 'summer' performance tires, not AS tires.

For the F30 AS tires do not come in staggered sizing direct from BMW.
Staggered sizing only comes with summer tires.
So, that explains the issues you are having as those tires aren't designed for winter use.