Next BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra to Ride on Beefed Up Toyota 86 Platform? - Page 3 - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

Ryan Leonardo · 02-12-2013, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Axman85

Say good bye to BMW quality. My other car is a piece of crap Toyota. Worst car ever, constantly recalled and always broken. Won't see me ever buying a Toyobimmer.

Lol, that's most likely the exception not the rule, toyota's are known for reliability and quality for the price you pay. They have some of the best trucks made like 4runners, Tacoma, tundra, fj, etc

WeekendDriver · 02-12-2013, 01:49 AM

Putting 20-year-old technology in an "all new" car easily makes you the most reliable car manufacturer. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that, if you still can get away with decent sales number. That is smart management and good for stock holders.

Thurman Murch · 02-12-2013, 03:14 AM

.... It means there is a market for a mid size hybrid v6 covertible

Say it ain't so bro

Let tesla do their thing and let BMW mass market motorsports

I could see these bed mates turning out a new supra, a new z4 range including a mz435i since the z2 is coming, and a BMW version of the supra which could be a baby M8

This could be dope but it could be disaster

cstavaru · 02-12-2013, 04:18 AM

This doesn't seem like good news to me. I do not believe that BMW can totally maintain and apply its philosophy on a borrowed platform.

red-sauerkraut · 02-12-2013, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Leonardo

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Originally Posted by mikal7

The frs is a marketing mess. Toyota spent more money selling it than they ever did building any part of it and people who have never driven real "drivers cars" bought into it.

If you want a supra, buy one. Don't wait until 2017 to be disappointed. If you want a BMW sports car, there's tons to choose from. /rant

Don't be naive.... Only thing subaru provided was the engine..

Everyone is saying subaru built the chassis , I don't think that's true.

Toyota's don't get too much love but lately THEY CAN BUILD CARS, look at the LFA and new GS F sport....

Much to the perception of Mercedes gettin bashed here but thier recent cars are more drivers cars than BMW's, some people just can't comprehend that , a lot of bimmers are soft now, but since it's a BMW forum they can do wrong lol

QFT

py0413 · 02-12-2013, 05:13 AM

This is a great news to me. I enjoy driving BMW cars but the computer/electronic were killing me. I had countless sensor error messages but none of them were really mechanical related problem. The Toyota/Lexus I owned, were all pretty boring to drive but they also were damn reliable. 3 cars, total ownership 4.5 years, 110k km, 1 burnt light bulb. That's it. I am excited to see how this project will turn out to be.

Levi · 02-12-2013, 06:31 AM

Thank you very much blind BMW fans for having killed the BMW brand. I know its a BMW forum, but that is not an excuse. It is also very said the see the high degree of ignorance of today's BMW drivers/owners.

I'm an Alfista yet I hate this brand (Alfa Romeo) most of all. Go figure!

Levi · 02-12-2013, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

This doesn't seem like good news to me. I do not believe that BMW can totally maintain and apply its philosophy on a borrowed platform.

With a lightweight RWD platform borrowed from Toyota it can't maintain and apply its philosophy, but with a FWD MINI platform for the upcoming FWD 1 Series GT it can?

Holander · 02-12-2013, 06:58 AM

Maybe Z4 got Toyota Camry V6 which is performanced by ///M.

flinchy · 02-12-2013, 07:17 AM

Bmw.. V...6? What?

Please say it's a lie.

Levi · 02-12-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by flinchy

Bmw.. V...6? What?

Please say it's a lie.

No. That is the engine that could have been powering the up-coming M3/M4/X3 M/X4 M/Z4 M. BMW still chose the pimped N55.

cstavaru · 02-12-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Levi

With a lightweight RWD platform borrowed from Toyota it can't maintain and apply its philosophy, but with a FWD MINI platform for the upcoming FWD 1 Series GT it can?

You are comparing apples to light bulbs.

The BMW's FWD philosophy is "efficiency followed by performance" and its RWD philosophy is "performance followed by efficiency".

DASHOCKER · 02-12-2013, 08:48 AM

infiniti/mercedes and now toyota/bmw. lets see what these colaborations bring forth.

rave426 · 02-12-2013, 09:23 AM

As long as BMW stays true to itself I can see this working out well. The current Z4 is a great looking car, but its too heavy and well overpriced, save for lease rates. This combination should result in a very lightweight car that will have endless possibilities.

Modifier · 02-12-2013, 09:31 AM

Does this mean that we are going to get a 4Runner-sdrive35is?

Actually, I've owned several Toyota trucks in a row (Tundra, Tacoma, 4Runner) and I always have had a BMW in the garage. I'd like to see what comes of this.

631twentyeighteye · 02-12-2013, 10:10 AM

If they put any motor in in that isnt a straight six, they're going a direction i don't like. I'm not a fan of complex V style motors(unnecessary amount of moving parts) and there's no replacement for displacement.

Axman85 · 02-12-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Leonardo

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Originally Posted by Axman85

Say good bye to BMW quality. My other car is a piece of crap Toyota. Worst car ever, constantly recalled and always broken. Won't see me ever buying a Toyobimmer.

Lol, that's most likely the exception not the rule, toyota's are known for reliability and quality for the price you pay. They have some of the best trucks made like 4runners, Tacoma, tundra, fj, etc

That is if you like your vehicle rusting out from underneath you.

Tj Hunter · 02-12-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Modifier

Does this mean that we are going to get a 4Runner-sdrive35is?

Actually, I've owned several Toyota trucks in a row (Tundra, Tacoma, 4Runner) and I always have had a BMW in the garage. I'd like to see what comes of this.

+1 Toyota is the ONLY truck I would consider owning...so part of me...as crazy as it sounds...hopes a BMW truck comes out of the works, until then X5 is good for me!

krnnerdboy · 02-12-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tj Hunter

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Originally Posted by Modifier

Does this mean that we are going to get a 4Runner-sdrive35is?

Actually, I've owned several Toyota trucks in a row (Tundra, Tacoma, 4Runner) and I always have had a BMW in the garage. I'd like to see what comes of this.

+1 Toyota is the ONLY truck I would consider owning...so part of me...as crazy as it sounds...hopes a BMW truck comes out of the works, until then X5 is good for me!

Actually, a Tacoma with the n55 would be amazing, and the tundra with an n55 wouldn't be so bad, instant ecoboost competition.

But sadly Toyota thinks "Mericans" are stupid and continue to give us the half assed North American specific frames....and now that I think about it, I'm one of those customers having owned a 98 Tacoma, 05 Tacoma, 07 fjc, 10 tundra, and now a land cruiser.

TT6mT · 02-12-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Leonardo

Much to the perception of Mercedes gettin bashed here but thier recent cars are more drivers cars than BMW's, some people just can't comprehend that , a lot of bimmers are soft now, but since it's a BMW forum they can do wrong lol

I wish this was true, then there would be a c63 out with a real manual transmission. I don't care about the, "you cant out shift a computer" bs. Computers right now don't know the joy of clutch/power control in twisties.
I'm not brand loyal either, there's a nissan in my garage

Levi · 02-12-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TT6mT

I wish this was true, then there would be a c63 out with a real manual transmission. I don't care about the, "you cant out shift a computer" bs. Computers right now don't know the joy of clutch/power control in twisties.
I'm not brand loyal either, there's a nissan in my garage

Anyway, up-coming M3/M4 is last generation with manual. If you'll want to drive a manual there'll in future, you better get a current car or you'll have to pick a JDM.

TT6mT · 02-12-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi

Anyway, up-coming M3/M4 is last generation with manual. If you'll want to drive a manual there'll in future, you better get a current car or you'll have to pick a JDM.

sadly manual is dying all around, even in JDM. Thanks for the info.

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02-12-2013, 05:13 AM	#50
py0413 Captain Drives: 2012 M5 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: BC Posts: 934 iTrader: (2)	This is a great news to me. I enjoy driving BMW cars but the computer/electronic were killing me. I had countless sensor error messages but none of them were really mechanical related problem. The Toyota/Lexus I owned, were all pretty boring to drive but they also were damn reliable. 3 cars, total ownership 4.5 years, 110k km, 1 burnt light bulb. That's it. I am excited to see how this project will turn out to be. __________________ Must stop eating..............

02-12-2013, 08:48 AM	#57
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02-12-2013, 09:23 AM	#58
rave426 Oh Hai Drives: On the way to an E92 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 224 iTrader: (0)	As long as BMW stays true to itself I can see this working out well. The current Z4 is a great looking car, but its too heavy and well overpriced, save for lease rates. This combination should result in a very lightweight car that will have endless possibilities. __________________ MR E92 on the way

02-12-2013, 09:31 AM	#59
Modifier Registered Drives: '76 2002, '95 M3, '08 328i Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 2 iTrader: (0)	Does this mean that we are going to get a 4Runner-sdrive35is? Actually, I've owned several Toyota trucks in a row (Tundra, Tacoma, 4Runner) and I always have had a BMW in the garage. I'd like to see what comes of this. __________________ '76 2002 Pastellblau '95 M3 Avusblau '07 328i Monaco Blue

02-12-2013, 01:49 AM	#46
WeekendDriver Private Drives: 2013 M135i Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 66 iTrader: (0)	Putting 20-year-old technology in an "all new" car easily makes you the most reliable car manufacturer. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that, if you still can get away with decent sales number. That is smart management and good for stock holders.

02-12-2013, 03:14 AM	#47
Thurman Murch Private Drives: M3 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Island in the sun Posts: 94 iTrader: (0)	.... It means there is a market for a mid size hybrid v6 covertible Say it ain't so bro Let tesla do their thing and let BMW mass market motorsports I could see these bed mates turning out a new supra, a new z4 range including a mz435i since the z2 is coming, and a BMW version of the supra which could be a baby M8 This could be dope but it could be disaster

02-12-2013, 06:31 AM	#51
Levi Colonel Drives: Alfa Romeo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,530 iTrader: (0)	Thank you very much blind BMW fans for having killed the BMW brand. I know its a BMW forum, but that is not an excuse. It is also very said the see the high degree of ignorance of today's BMW drivers/owners. I'm an Alfista yet I hate this brand (Alfa Romeo) most of all. Go figure!

02-12-2013, 06:58 AM	#53
Holander Private Drives: bmw mit Lsd & L6 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Europe- Posts: 85 iTrader: (0)	Maybe Z4 got Toyota Camry V6 which is performanced by ///M.

02-12-2013, 07:17 AM	#54
flinchy Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 130i Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: QLD, Australia Posts: 1,739 iTrader: (0)	Bmw.. V...6? What? Please say it's a lie.

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