[JK479]

Originally Posted by bringonthenite

Same here. The other was later than expected build/delivery. Decided to wait out the winter. Not sure what to get now. Should have just bought it in the fall.

Feb rates are just as good as the fall... the question is... do we want this 13 or... do we wait for the 14 and the new NAV.

And miss the awesome spring season... maybe a 2 year lease in a 13 is an answer!

[SamS]

Originally Posted by claykin

Also empty back there on F30. Its a little storage shelf. Battery is behind right wheel well (which is pretty standard in 3 series). The REM and a couple modules are back there near the battery (the SLA battery).

The AH3 has a little compartment w/door below that storage shelf.

[bringonthenite]

Originally Posted by JK479

Feb rates are just as good as the fall... the question is... do we want this 13 or... do we wait for the 14 and the new NAV.

And miss the awesome spring season... maybe a 2 year lease in a 13 is an answer!

Tonight it's the 13. tired of winter and waiting. I'm sure it will change. Lol
Your plans?

[JK479]

Originally Posted by bringonthenite

Tonight it's the 13. tired of winter and waiting. I'm sure it will change. Lol
Your plans?

Funny... i am thinking of locking in the 13/feb rates and just going for it. Will we be upset when 14 has the new Nav? Should we even care if we lease?

[claykin]

Originally Posted by JK479

Should we even care if we lease?

Not for resale value. But for operation over the next 2-3 years of driving...

[DJHakim]

Is the new Nav hosted by TomTom, rather than TeleAtlas? What does your NBT Navigation Version say in iDrive?

[SamS]

Originally Posted by DJHakim

Is the new Nav hosted by TomTom, rather than TeleAtlas? What does your NBT Navigation Version say in iDrive?

Dunno about TomTom vs. TeleAtlas, but I think I used to remember

Version info:

North America
BMW Group
112113.2.121
Road Map NORTH AMERICA Next 2013

NBT_C12341l

[bringonthenite]

Originally Posted by JK479

Funny... i am thinking of locking in the 13/feb rates and just going for it. Will we be upset when 14 has the new Nav? Should we even care if we lease?

Never leased but may this time and then move into a 4 later on.

[SamS]

A few interesting observations I have made regarding the NBT:

• Every 10 minutes, the traffic data (colored lines on the map) goes away for about 1 second and is refreshed. I guess it could be every five minutes, but I have only noticed the refresh at the 10 minute mark.
• The traffic incident reports are quite helpful, especially because it indicates accidents and their point on the map. I don't remember how good this was on the CIC Nav?

[DJHakim]

Originally Posted by SamS

A few interesting observations I have made regarding the NBT:
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Is screen resolution noticably better?

[claykin]

Originally Posted by SamS

A few interesting observations I have made regarding the NBT:

• Every 10 minutes, the traffic data (colored lines on the map) goes away for about 1 second and is refreshed. I guess it could be every five minutes, but I have only noticed the refresh at the 10 minute mark.
• The traffic incident reports are quite helpful, especially because it indicates accidents and their point on the map. I don't remember how good this was on the CIC Nav?

Do you get Nav traffic incident notifications even when not using the Nav for guidance? I mean if traveling on a highway and there's a pile up ahead will the Nav notify you regardless of whether you set Nav guidance or not?

[SamS]

Originally Posted by DJHakim

Is screen resolution noticably better?

Screen resolution is the same as before, 1280x480. Graphics and lettering is very legible however. You really don't need more resolution at this distance, in my experience.

Originally Posted by claykin

Do you get Nav traffic incident notifications even when not using the Nav for guidance? I mean if traveling on a highway and there's a pile up ahead will the Nav notify you regardless of whether you set Nav guidance or not?

Yes, definitely. No guidance needs to be in effect. I can look on the map, see the road I'm on is Red and see the little icon for two cars crashed. There is an option for Display Traffic List (or something) and the map goes away to a list describing the incident, with a mini-view of the accident area on the right.

How does it work with CIC? I had this on my E92, but I don't recall the specifics.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by SamS

Screen resolution is the same as before, 1280x480. Graphics and lettering is very legible however. You really don't need more resolution at this distance, in my experience.

But if you waited for a December build you would have gotten the new 4K resolution LCD.

Kidding, for others wondering if this is true!

Yes, definitely. No guidance needs to be in effect. I can look on the map, see the road I'm on is Red and see the little icon for two cars crashed. There is an option for Display Traffic List (or something) and the map goes away to a list describing the incident, with a mini-view of the accident area on the right.

How does it work with CIC? I had this on my E92, but I don't recall the specifics.

Same, if I have the Map up on LCD. I'd like to be in other mode (Radio, etc.) and have traffic alerts pop up on right pane. That I haven't seen happen...yet. You?

Just yesterday I was on highway and it suddenly came to a crawl. No Nav warning, but when I clicked Nav button and got map up there it was plain as day on LCD. Argh!

Wish that right pane would pop up a tip telling me to check traffic. Maybe NBT does that?

[SamS]

Originally Posted by claykin

Same, if I have the Map up on LCD. I'd like to be in other mode (Radio, etc.) and have traffic alerts pop up on right pane. That I haven't seen happen...yet. You?

Just yesterday I was on highway and it suddenly came to a crawl. No Nav warning, but when I clicked Nav button and got map up there it was plain as day on LCD. Argh!

Wish that right pane would pop up a tip telling me to check traffic. Maybe NBT does that?

I have poked around the NBT quite a bit, but saw nothing that would indication such a feature. I usually keep the map up, and if I'm worried about potential traffic I'll zoom out a bit and look for red/yellow where there should be none. That's how I spotted the accident indicator.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by SamS

I have poked around the NBT quite a bit, but saw nothing that would indication such a feature. I usually keep the map up, and if I'm worried about potential traffic I'll zoom out a bit and look for red/yellow where there should be none. That's how I spotted the accident indicator.

So you click back and forth between maps and music sources while driving but always revert back to maps? I just hop in, drive and enjoy tunes. Maps are used when I go somewhere unfamiliar (only once or twice in last couple months).

I know I can have maps and/or music in right pane on LCD. Not sure how I can control it when its in the right pane. Maybe HUD? I guess I need to play more.

[DJHakim]

Originally Posted by SamS

I have poked around the NBT quite a bit, but saw nothing that would indication such a feature. I usually keep the map up, and if I'm worried about potential traffic I'll zoom out a bit and look for red/yellow where there should be none. That's how I spotted the accident indicator.

This is related to an issue with CIC that I'd hoped would be addressed by now. With CIC, if you are navigating, but on another screen (like music or phone), or even just in non-split map mode, and nav voice is off, a navigation alert (upcoming turn, etc) would not appear. I missed a turn several times while on a phone call before I learned to change to nav screen directly after starting a phone call.

Basically, it was (is) not possible to get pop-up nav alerts without "arrow display".

[SamS]

Originally Posted by claykin

So you click back and forth between maps and music sources while driving but always revert back to maps? I just hop in, drive and enjoy tunes. Maps are used when I go somewhere unfamiliar (only once or twice in last couple months).

I know I can have maps and/or music in right pane on LCD. Not sure how I can control it when its in the right pane. Maybe HUD? I guess I need to play more.

I keep maps up because my extended display is Entertainment Info. So when I'm listening to Media, I have duplicated screen art right/left and it kinda drives me nutty. I can change tracks via the HUD of course but if I'm changing albums or sources I'll briefly get out of maps/Nav into Media/ConnectedDrive.

Originally Posted by DJHakim

This is related to an issue with CIC that I'd hoped would be addressed by now. With CIC, if you are navigating, but on another screen (like music or phone), or even just in non-split map mode, and nav voice is off, a navigation alert (upcoming turn, etc) would not appear. I missed a turn several times while on a phone call before I learned to change to nav screen directly after starting a phone call.

Basically, it was (is) not possible to get pop-up nav alerts without "arrow display".

I'd have to double-check to make sure, but regardless of what is displayed on the iDrive, the HUD will still show you navigation alerts like upcoming turn.

[DJHakim]

Originally Posted by SamS

Screen resolution is the same as before, 1280x480. Graphics and lettering is very legible however. You really don't need more resolution at this distance, in my experience.

Ahh, yes, as you mentioned almost a year ago!
"Navigation/iDrive screen is identical between 2009+ E9x cars, and the F30. 8.8" diagonal, and 1280x480 pixels, even wider than 21:9. [02/2012]"

Lettering frequently ran off the screen in the Assistance Window Arrow Display. A few more pixels could help, but then they should decrease the font size anyway.

[claykin]

Originally Posted by SamS

I keep maps up because my extended display is Entertainment Info. So when I'm listening to Media, I have duplicated screen art right/left and it kinda drives me nutty. I can change tracks via the HUD of course but if I'm changing albums or sources I'll briefly get out of maps/Nav into Media/ConnectedDrive.

On my drive home I spent a few minutes playing with this. I left it in Map mode with Music in the right pane (extended display) and can control the music using the dash/steering buttons. HUD allows me to easily change tracks. Not bad for the old "LBT" Nav. Seems pretty similar to your Star Trek Nav.

I also found by entering the right settings menu there were settings there I didn't even know about. Nav Sat image mode, other Traffic modes. Cool.

[dougi83]

Just ordered my F30 320D M Sport Alpine White today.
The car will be built after the 1st of march and it add some new stuffs :

- the price : 150€ more
- Emergency and intelligent call : 6AC (now standard on all cars in France)
- New advanced bluetooth connectivity : 6NS

I haven't found any informations about this new optionnal bluetooth 6NS.
I hope it will give the album art functionnality, audiostreaming and better compatibility with all smartphones. (cost 240€).
New functionnality added to the new NAV 609 ?

[SamS]

Originally Posted by dougi83

Just ordered my F30 320D M Sport Alpine White today.
The car will be built after the 1st of march and it add some new stuffs :

- the price : 150€ more
- Emergency and intelligent call : 6AC (now standard on all cars in France)
- New advanced bluetooth connectivity : 6NS

I haven't found any informations about this new optionnal bluetooth 6NS.
I hope it will give the album art functionnality, audiostreaming and better compatibility with all smartphones. (cost 240€).
New functionnality added to the new NAV 609 ?

It appear that in Europe, Navigation (ZNP) no longer includes 6NL and is therefore cheaper. 6NS is the replacement add-on option code for 6NL. Functionality appears to be identical, just a packaging change.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by DJHakim

Still waiting for NBT photos!

Instead of photos, I found you a nice video of NBT in action

http://askabmwclientadvisor.com/2013...-professional/