[ozzy1]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Or just hit it front and center.

Exactly should be the goal when in a situation like this. My dad, retired fighter pilot, saved him and my mom from major injury exactly centering the car, opel astra, when hitting a telephone pole. We are all not fighter pilots but centering is key if potential is there.

[Elk]

It is unfortunate he was unable to avoid it entirely.

[neilk]

Originally Posted by whoever

I'm serious considering going back to Honda and get a manual Accord, assuming it's similar to Accura. Just waiting for more testing coming out.

Might not be bad idea... Check out the following link

I think that will show you that offset crash results are pretty important.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by DrivenByE30

Sounds to me you are the type of person who's always so eager to throw the first rock...

A lot of things you said, you make it sound like it was very simple and it was so predictable...

It's always easy to assume after the facts...


From my point of view, this is a first shot that is bringing attentions to everyone and so things will be worked on from here on...

I would say that practically all of those cars were not design to incorporates means to protect from this specific scenario.

Only the Volvo was properly equiped/designed. Everyone else was a luck of the draw and circumstance. Regarding the BMW, If it wasn't for the wheel being stuck there, things would have been much better.

The F30 is still a very good Modern car (with all the compromises that goes with it)

I've noticed there are number alarmist who don't own this model.
I think there are some folks wanting this 3 to fail in any way, so that they can keep believing that their car's are better in every way.

I'd like to see this new crash test applied to older BMW's and older models of other brands. In particular I'd like to see how older 3's like the E90 and E46 fare in this new test.
That will give us some perspective on how much better or worse these new designs are working.
IOW, if previous models of these brands actually score better on this test than the new models, then indeed there was a failure in improving the safety design.
But, if the older models score worse, then the new designs are indeed an improvement, even though they may score low on this new test.
Let's see that base line.
Anyone have that data?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by robertusa32

Certainly BMW engineers should and will address the new crash test result. But please note the following:
1) Unlike most manufacturers who only focus with varying degrees of interest in passive safety - what happens if the vehicle is involved in a collision? - BMW targets active safety. Brake drying, brake assist, brake stand-by, bigger, bolder braking systems, 50-50 weight distribution all contribute to avoiding the impact.
2) As for passive safety, BMW looks at all 360 degrees of potential crash intersection and attempts to design a vehicle with the best all around passive safety. Most companies engineer to pass the limited tests and the known angle or angles of impact employed by testing agencies.
Again, BMW should learn from the rsults of this test. But, to conclude that the overall safety is less than another brand, such as Volvo, because of this one result, is to misunderstand everything BMW does to avoid such incidents and everythimg the brand does to survive all potential areas of impact around the full circumference of the vehicle.

Respectfully Submitted.

So, you're saying it's better to AVOID an accident in the first place?

I concur. The biggest safety feature is being able to avoid hitting something.

[lewishamilton]

Looks like the Camry and Prius V are fairing much worse!

[shivaswrath]

I don't think I'd want to be in that crash car f30...that dudes ankle looks real uncomfortable...

[BMWrules7]

Originally Posted by ozzy1

Exactly should be the goal when in a situation like this. My dad, retired fighter pilot, saved him and my mom from major injury exactly centering the car, opel astra, when hitting a telephone pole. We are all not fighter pilots but centering is key if potential is there.

Dude....

First, please thank your Dad for his service. We are no doubt safer today through the effort and commitment of good men and women like your dad.

Second, you want us to give your dad, a former fighter pilot, points for slamming head on into a pole directly in the center??