[johnbmw6]

Originally Posted by Rb79

What, you mean you didn't spec them from the options list? Surely morals can be bought if we spend enough money at our BMW dealer

Point taken, i'll quiz them for not offering.

[ubg]

Originally Posted by johnbmw6

Point taken, i'll quiz them for not offering.

Not sure many BMW dealers actually have morals. You're not conceited but you have every right to be!

[F30AM]

The only item I wish I had not optioned was the Pro Nav as I'd probably hardly use it. I only bought it because it looks good. Just like buying M-Sport Brakes.
Anyway, so far, the Nav appears to be beset with teething problems.
It's all a bottomless money making pit, IMO.

[ubg]

Originally Posted by F30AM

The only item I wish I had not optioned was the Pro Nav as I'd probably hardly use it. I only bought it because it looks good. Just like buying M-Sport Brakes.
Anyway, so far, it seems that it is beset with teething problems.
It's all a bottomless money making pit, IMO.

Yep, 'bottomless' is an apt term. I worry that there is a lot to potentially go wrong in a few years, perhaps less spec = less bills at 3 years & 1 day (ie just after warranty expires when things are programmed to go wrong).

[MaestroAl]

BMW have some very clever marketing people and we're all suckers

[Daveyc]

Originally Posted by johnbmw6

You are going to be happy daveyc for sure.

Thanks John.

This is great news for me. I took bit of a punt on the M Sport brakes. Thought they might add marginal benefit and mainly just look nice. Very happy news that they're the real deal.

Dave

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

BMW have some very clever marketing people and we're all suckers

They make all their money on options. A bit peeved off that I spent £5000+ on options of which nearly £2000 was on the Pro Nav.

[Daveyc]

Originally Posted by clarence

It's not standard in USA. 2NH is not yet available on US-spec cars.
The calipers are different as the fronts on 2NH are 370mm - standard 335i fronts are 345mm.
The rears on 2NH are also larger than standard.

Hi Clarence,

Just checking I've got you right - you're saying the front rotors on the M Sport brake system are 370mm? That's serious stuff!

[ubg]

Originally Posted by F30AM

They make all their money on options. A bit peeved off that I spent £5000+ on options of which nearly £2000 was on the Pro Nav.

£2k for Nav is outrageous no matter how good it looks, we are slaves to the Munich pension fund!

[MaestroAl]

It's more than just NAV though innit. I agree it's outrageous but they also know it's #1 on most people's list, every company car will have it and you can't sell a 2nd hand Bee Emm without it. So we pay it.

[ubg]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

It's more than just NAV though innit. I agree it's outrageous but they also know it's #1 on most people's list, every company car will have it and you can't sell a 2nd hand Bee Emm without it. So we pay it.

Yes I guess it would be almost expected to have it when it comes to resale but I am sure BMW dealers will make a good case for their cars that don't have it. Depends if you are buying or selling. If you are going to spec business nav for £1.5k anyway, I guess the extra for pro nav might be easier to swallow but still a hell of a lot of money for us mere mortals.

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by Rb79

£2k for Nav is outrageous no matter how good it looks, we are slaves to the Munich pension fund!

Would have saved a packet by purchasing the Syrius Pro Sound DB8500 Sat Nav by Snooper with life time updates, 7" LCD Screen plus built-in DAB and FM Transmitter with the ability to play DAB Radio, DVB-T Freeview TV and Nav Instructions through the vehicle's in-built speakers. Feel I've doubly shafted myself superbly.

[PF64]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

It's more than just NAV though innit. I agree it's outrageous but they also know it's #1 on most people's list, every company car will have it and you can't sell a 2nd hand Bee Emm without it. So we pay it.

If you can't sell a 2nd hand one without it how comes they don't make the monthly payments more attractive to improve the residuals when contract hiring ?

[F30AM]

BTW P64 my Dealer ETA is also 10/12! Same mother, different fathers! Semi-bastards obviously.

[PF64]

Originally Posted by F30AM

Would have saved a packet by purchasing the Syrius Pro Sound DB8500 Sat Nav by Snooper with life time updates, 7" LCD Screen plus built-in DAB and FM Transmitter with the ability to play DAB Radio, DVB-T Freeview TV and Nav Instructions through the vehicle's in-built speakers. Feel I've doubly shafted myself superbly.

I went without the built in nav to have some other options and buy a sat-nav when i get the car. I hadn't heard of syrius one but just googled it. Is it as good as it sounds ?

[PF64]

Originally Posted by F30AM

BTW P64 my Dealer ETA is also 10/12! Same mother, different fathers! Semi-bastards obviously.

F30am - at least you have one to test drive, i havn't even been in a 330d yet ? It's killing me.

[F30FAN]

Originally Posted by PF64

F30am - at least you have one to test drive, i havn't even been in a 330d yet ? It's killing me.

Not to worry your not the only one...the nearest my dealer could get me to a F30 330D was a new 535D...go figure!

I guess when you do get behind the wheel of your own 330D spec'd just the way want it all will be forgiven..

BTW my delivery date is also 10/12/12..

[PF64]

Originally Posted by F30FAN

Not to worry your not the only one...the nearest my dealer could get me to a F30 330D was a new 535D...go figure!

I guess when you do get behind the wheel of your own 330D spec'd just the way want it all will be forgiven..

BTW my delivery date is also 10/12/12..

I think telling myself it will all be worth the wait is the only thing keeping me sain.

When did you order yours f30fan ?

[clarence]

Originally Posted by Daveyc

Hi Clarence,

Just checking I've got you right - you're saying the front rotors on the M Sport brake system are 370mm? That's serious stuff!

Yes, for 328i & above the fronts are 370x30 & rears are 345x24.

[clarence]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Sorry should have made that clearer. The calipers on the US 335i are the same as 2NH option, but they are not painted blue. I have a feeling disc size is not the same either.

All 335i, whether US or EU/ROW have 4-pot front calipers as standard. I don't think they are interchangeable with 2NH cos the disc size is much bigger on the 2NH (370mm vs 340mm).

[johnbmw6]

Originally Posted by Rb79

Yes I guess it would be almost expected to have it when it comes to resale but I am sure BMW dealers will make a good case for their cars that don't have it. Depends if you are buying or selling. If you are going to spec business nav for £1.5k anyway, I guess the extra for pro nav might be easier to swallow but still a hell of a lot of money for us mere mortals.

Yes a "Hell of a lot of money" and lets face it's not that many years have passed when we just used a MAP and rarely got lost .
I think this "must have for resale" is just a way to make big bucks for the dealers on options, come resale time the dealers play the up or down game 0n your PX value.
Some people get a bit sucked in ( me included) and go over the top on options, but come PX time I push as hard as I can on the next deal playing them off against each other to find a good deal

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

It's more than just NAV though innit. I agree it's outrageous but they also know it's #1 on most people's list, every company car will have it and you can't sell a 2nd hand Bee Emm without it. So we pay it.

Not true, most company cars are leased, and with most lease companies the options policy is simple, you either pay up front for them or they amortise the option over the lease period so it is fully paid for at termination. Either way it adds a hell of a lot to the cost of the vehicle, therefore most co. cars WON'T have Nav fitted.

Just worked out Pro Nav would cost £55 per month on a 36 month lease. What co. car driver will downgrade the model to accomodate NAV?

For those that bought Nav, it adds roughly £500 to the re-sale value. Not too bad as other than Automatic gearbox, all other options add zilch.