MT Head 2 Head: BMW 335i vs ATS 3.6 vs C350 - Page 2 - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

pgviper · 11-21-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

I think the ATS was too small inside when I tried to sit in it. It's really hard to tell the difference between a black ATS and a black CTS on the road.

The front actually looks very different. It's like someone that's never seen a bmw who can't tell the difference between a sport vs non-sport front bumper.

I'm really curious to drive this car for myself but like I previously stated, not a fan of the 3.6 not coming with manual.

sycd · 11-21-2012, 01:47 PM

Competition is good, hopefully BMW will wake up and fix the design of the hideous front of the regular F30 and their steering feel which has been an issue in the F10 as well.

Personally I'm glad I got one of the last E92 and E70.

jameseo · 11-21-2012, 01:48 PM

Cadillacs are made by Chevy and we know from NASCAR and Le Mans Chevy can create performance. It's not so crazy that the luxury-end of this brand can combine both luxury and performance. And when it comes to Mercedes, if it isn't an AMG it's just luxury.

zeezz · 11-21-2012, 01:51 PM

Since when did BMW design in Stuttgart and Benz in Munich?

(5:47 in the video)

pgviper · 11-21-2012, 01:51 PM

I'm looking forward to 2014 when we see a shootout between the Cadillac ATS, BMW F30 and 2014 Infiniti G. That's going to be a solid match up escpecially since BMW and Cadillac will ahve a couple years to polish up what they have made and with the roll that Infiniti has been on lately, seems like a good head to head match up for top sport sedan.

Roki_014 · 11-21-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by zeezz

Since when did BMW design in Stuttgart and Benz in Munich?

(5:47 in the video)

i noticed that too

Mako · 11-21-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Funny thing is, performance wise the 328 could have still put up better numbers than both 6 cylinder competitors.

Right, because the 328 outperforms the 335, only thing it beats the 335 at is gas mileage!

DarkTrigger · 11-21-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgviper

I'm looking forward to 2014 when we see a shootout between the Cadillac ATS, BMW F30 and 2014 Infiniti G. That's going to be a solid match up escpecially since BMW and Cadillac will ahve a couple years to polish up what they have made and with the roll that Infiniti has been on lately, seems like a good head to head match up for top sport sedan.

If they do that, I hope bmw has a 340i by then.

swanson · 11-21-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Carnook

Takeaways:

1. BMW really needs to redo the front bumper on the 3 series to make it more agreesive and pretty. The M Sport bumper shows just how much of an improvement a new bumper can make.

2. Reviewers of iDrive always forget to mention the programmable memory buttons, which make it even easier to use. And the hover-over feature is great!

3. Mercedes command centre sucks.

4. Cadillac... where are the buttons!? Touch surfaces suck (not to be confused with touch screens).

5. The reviewer doesn't like the 3 series driving experience because its too sophisticated. He wants less sophistication and more raw, scary driving with a hard bumpy suspension and heavy steering. Yeah I'll stick with my 335i thanks.

Oh please. Fanbois have been saying all along that the 3 series is the "drivers car". The new 3 series has been beat fair and square.

techwhiz · 11-21-2012, 02:06 PM

I've seen one up close. Sorry but the exterior is better done than the F30. I also like the e90 better than the new f30 front end.

I'd consider the ATS.

swanson · 11-21-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jk3355

I'll choose Cadillac the day the BMW 335, Audi A4, MB C350 are discontinued. The cheap, under engineered interior was enough to turn me away when I saw it. I didn't drive one, but in the end, its not a car that turns heads like the 335i. Motor Trend is entitled to its opinion. I just have my own.

A335i turns heads?

TheObviousChild · 11-21-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by johnofcross

Indeed. Speaking of which, did this guy even hit the Sport button? That would fix many of the things he described.
I was considering the ATS myself. But it took too long

+1 I wonder why they never mention this.

DarkTrigger · 11-21-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by swanson

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Oh please. Fanbois have been saying all along that the 3 series is the "drivers car". The new 3 series has been beat fair and square.

You miss the point, it's been beaten by itself

They straight up copied the e90. Which is probably a really good business model.

DarkTrigger · 11-21-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by swanson

A335i turns heads?

M sport EBII does

buildbright · 11-21-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sycd

Competition is good, hopefully BMW will wake up and fix the design of the hideous front of the regular F30 and their steering feel which has been an issue in the F10 as well.

Personally I'm glad I got one of the last E92 and E70.

See I think the E90's were ugliest 3 series ever built. Those tailights and the bubble frontend yuck.

JonoNZ · 11-21-2012, 02:21 PM

Should have driven an M Sport with M Suspension.

johnofcross · 11-21-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkTrigger

M sport EBII does

+1 Here where I live

tmurphy2 · 11-21-2012, 02:23 PM

the comments about the interior.....please shut up. the BMW is 1000x better ive driven 100k mercedes that i thought the interior was from the 90's. everything else he said ill agree with 50%.

guy is really annoying though, go back to starbucks and type a screen play.

DarkTrigger · 11-21-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JonoNZ

Should have driven an M Sport with M Suspension.

You mean equipped with DHP.

Cisitalia · 11-21-2012, 02:25 PM

Well I thought overall the ATS was better than the 3 series that is why I bought one. That is from a long time German car lover and BMWCCA member for 15 years. I could have bought any BMW or German car in that segment, but I thought the new ATS did better overall. Some people should try looking outside of the box.

Certain things BMW does better at and the ATS does better at other things. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I am so tired of the BMW look and the ATS looks way more modern and fresh, from inside to outside. The 3 series just keeps getting bigger, heavier and uglier. I say the only thing now going for it is the wonderful N54/N55 engine.

I got the 2013 ATS premium 3.6L V6 with magnetic ride suspension, Brembo front brakes and a real LSD. I think the CUE is wonderful and works great and no complaints. The interior quality is much better than the 3 series.

Some people are not open minded and have made up their minds, before they even look objectively at other options. Well to each their own.

martinf79 · 11-21-2012, 02:28 PM

Obviously a BMW forum ... BMW skewed view.

I LOOOOOOOVVVEEE how all the current e90 Drivers and F30 328 Drivers feel the need to chime in here and harp on the 335i. Haters will hate.

My money. My Decision. I paid more... and could NOT have been happier w/ my decision. I have a car that puts a smile on my face every time I peak through my garage door to take a look at it. Very little in my life that I can buy gives me that same feeling.

I test drove all of them in the bunch and could NOT disagree w/ this review more.

MB over the BMW???? Are you kidding me??? I considered this one of the cheapest made, under engineered cars I have ever driven in my life. Felt like I was driving a boat (the body roll was horrible). Almost not acceptable for a car charging this much.

As for the Caddy ... transmission sucked in every rhelm. Was it stiffer ... yes. Stiffer doesn't mean "better".

This review has seriously made me question the authenticity behind the reviews and the alleged behind the scene endorsements everyone has always thrown out for consideration.

DarkTrigger · 11-21-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cisitalia

Well I thought overall the ATS was better than the 3 series that is why I bought one. That is from a long time German car lover and BMWCCA member for 15 years. I could have bought any BMW or German car in that segment, but I thought the new ATS did better overall. Some people should try looking outside of the box.

Certain things BMW does better at and the ATS does better at other things. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I am so tired of the BMW look and the ATS looks way more modern and fresh, from inside to outside. The 3 series just keeps getting bigger, heavier and uglier. I say the only thing now going for it is the wonderful N54/N55 engine.

I got the 2013 ATS premium 3.6L V6 with magnetic ride suspension, Brembo front brakes and a real LSD. I think the CUE is wonderful and works great and no complaints. The interior quality is much better than the 3 series.

Some people are not open minded and have made up their minds, before they even look objectively at other options. Well to each their own.

I believe I optioned an ATS before. How much did that one cost you?

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tmurphy2 Second Lieutenant Drives: e92 335i Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 232 iTrader: (0)	the comments about the interior.....please shut up. the BMW is 1000x better ive driven 100k mercedes that i thought the interior was from the 90's. everything else he said ill agree with 50%. guy is really annoying though, go back to starbucks and type a screen play. __________________ e92 335i sport[/b] 2 GO: Cobb AP Stg 2+, Macht Schnell DPs, Injen intake, Spearco FMIC, Velocity throttle booster, DBA 4000xs rotors, Vibrant Performance catback, Synapse BOV & charge pipe, Hancook V12 EVOs 4 SHOW: DCT paddles, cusco strut, piano black trim, Mtech bumper, aero lip, 19" Miro 111's, angel eye, black: window trim, side mark, kidneys

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martinf79 Lieutenant Drives: F30 335i M Sport Join Date: May 2012 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 592 iTrader: (0)	Obviously a BMW forum ... BMW skewed view. I LOOOOOOOVVVEEE how all the current e90 Drivers and F30 328 Drivers feel the need to chime in here and harp on the 335i. Haters will hate. My money. My Decision. I paid more... and could NOT have been happier w/ my decision. I have a car that puts a smile on my face every time I peak through my garage door to take a look at it. Very little in my life that I can buy gives me that same feeling. I test drove all of them in the bunch and could NOT disagree w/ this review more. MB over the BMW???? Are you kidding me??? I considered this one of the cheapest made, under engineered cars I have ever driven in my life. Felt like I was driving a boat (the body roll was horrible). Almost not acceptable for a car charging this much. As for the Caddy ... transmission sucked in every rhelm. Was it stiffer ... yes. Stiffer doesn't mean "better". This review has seriously made me question the authenticity behind the reviews and the alleged behind the scene endorsements everyone has always thrown out for consideration. __________________ 2013 335i ///M-Sport \| AW \| Alum Hex Black Line Trim \| BD Leather \| 19” M-Sport Rims \| M-Sport Brakes \| Adaptive M-Suspension \| Variable Sport Steering \| Premium Package \| Enhanced Bluetooth \| Sirius \| BMW Apps \| Heads Up Display \| Speed Limit Info \| M Performance Grill \| Front/Rear Painted Reflectors Last edited by martinf79; 11-21-2012 at 03:22 PM.

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11-21-2012, 01:48 PM	#25
jameseo New Member Drives: '75 2002 & '08 X3 3.0 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 7 iTrader: (0)	Cadillacs are made by Chevy and we know from NASCAR and Le Mans Chevy can create performance. It's not so crazy that the luxury-end of this brand can combine both luxury and performance. And when it comes to Mercedes, if it isn't an AMG it's just luxury.

11-21-2012, 01:51 PM	#26
zeezz Private First Class Drives: F30 328i Sport Line Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 152 iTrader: (0)	Since when did BMW design in Stuttgart and Benz in Munich? (5:47 in the video)

11-21-2012, 01:51 PM	#27
pgviper Private Drives: G37s Coupe Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Long Island Posts: 87 iTrader: (0)	I'm looking forward to 2014 when we see a shootout between the Cadillac ATS, BMW F30 and 2014 Infiniti G. That's going to be a solid match up escpecially since BMW and Cadillac will ahve a couple years to polish up what they have made and with the roll that Infiniti has been on lately, seems like a good head to head match up for top sport sedan.

11-21-2012, 02:06 PM	#32
techwhiz Captain Drives: e90 335i Sedan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 841 iTrader: (1)	I've seen one up close. Sorry but the exterior is better done than the F30. I also like the e90 better than the new f30 front end. I'd consider the ATS.

11-21-2012, 02:25 PM	#42
Cisitalia No fast lane bandits allowed Drives: 2009 135i TiAg 6mt M-Sport Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 337 iTrader: (1)	Well I thought overall the ATS was better than the 3 series that is why I bought one. That is from a long time German car lover and BMWCCA member for 15 years. I could have bought any BMW or German car in that segment, but I thought the new ATS did better overall. Some people should try looking outside of the box. Certain things BMW does better at and the ATS does better at other things. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I am so tired of the BMW look and the ATS looks way more modern and fresh, from inside to outside. The 3 series just keeps getting bigger, heavier and uglier. I say the only thing now going for it is the wonderful N54/N55 engine. I got the 2013 ATS premium 3.6L V6 with magnetic ride suspension, Brembo front brakes and a real LSD. I think the CUE is wonderful and works great and no complaints. The interior quality is much better than the 3 series. Some people are not open minded and have made up their minds, before they even look objectively at other options. Well to each their own.