[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I can name 5 people i know right now w business degrees, internships and no chance at a job after looking for over a year. Go figure... right... My friend graduated in '06 and lived in a different reality... one where he could choose from 10 jobs.

Where are you/these people located? If you have a degree in Finance and live on Maui - you're right, you are definitely not getting a job in your field.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by ZaraGSPBMW

Seems to me people chose free stuff, not freedom.

So where does the line form to get my free government supplied M3?

What freedoms of your have been taken away over the last four years?

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Where are you/these people located? If you have a degree in Finance and live on Maui - you're right, you are definitely not getting a job in your field.

Florida... but looking nationwide

[ZaraGSPBMW]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

What freedoms of your have been taken away over the last four years?

Really! The most obvious is “Obamacare”. Over the years I’ve heard the huge argument that “healthcare is a right”. Okay. Well do I have a right not to participate? No. If I choose to affirm or act upon my “right” not to participate I have to pay a tax. Personally, I think there needs to be a sustainable health system, but forcing everyone to participate is not the way to go. How about letting those of us that are healthy well into our 40s and beyond off the hook...I beleive that should be my right.

[BKsBimmer]

Originally Posted by Bmw135er

Absolutely! Keep having more kids so you can make more tax free money without actually doing a thing, except for being America's trash. While others have to work in the soon to be socialist nation that used to be America...

Those who think Obama's core constituency are welfare and food stamp recipients still don't get it. That's not why the president kicked ass in 2 separate elections. The answer is in the changing demographic make up of this country with more minorities and ethnic groups and changing attitudes about social issues like gay marriage and a woman's right to chose. Republicans alienated all the people they will need to reaching out to in the future to sustain their party. Minorities, women and gays. They just didn't get how much they already needed them now to win.

The real divide in this country is not the racial or class politics you see above. It's the outdated attitudes and a refusal to accept change you see represented in this kind of post.

It's time to realize you can't take the country back. You can only move the country forward.

[gds52]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

What freedoms of your have been taken away over the last four years?

+1

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by ZaraGSPBMW

Really! The most obvious is “Obamacare”. Over the years I’ve heard the huge argument that “healthcare is a right”. Okay. Well do I have a right not to participate? No. If I choose to affirm or act upon my “right” not to participate I have to pay a tax. Personally, I think there needs to be a sustainable health system, but forcing everyone to participate is not the way to go. How about letting those of us that are healthy well into our 40s and beyond off the hook...I beleive that should be my right.

Yes, really. You're upset about the prospect of having healthcare? Taxes also pay for those pesky roads and schools. If you don't have children or a car do you write to the mayor of your city and tell him you want that tax money back because you want to excercise the right to not send your children to public school? There is a real problem with skyrocketing healthcare in this country and when something does go wrong and you're not covered, you would rather die in the street with a stack of medical bills than lose your "right" to refuse healthcare coverage?

[bnekic]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Yes, really. You're upset about the prospect of having healthcare? Taxes also pay for those pesky roads and schools. If you don't have children or a car do you write to the mayor of your city and tell him you want that tax money back because you want to excercise the right to not send your children to public school? There is a real problem with skyrocketing healthcare in this country and when something does go wrong and you're not covered, you would rather die in the street with a stack of medical bills than lose your "right" to refuse healthcare coverage?

+1

[ZaraGSPBMW]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Yes, really. You're upset about the prospect of having healthcare? Taxes also pay for those pesky roads and schools. If you don't have children or a car do you write to the mayor of your city and tell him you want that tax money back because you want to excercise the right to not send your children to public school? There is a real problem with skyrocketing healthcare in this country and when something does go wrong and you're not covered, you would rather die in the street with a stack of medical bills than lose your "right" to refuse healthcare coverage?

Not the point I was making. You’re also confusing how taxes work. My property taxes go to support local schools—which I have no problem paying. I recognize taxes are necessary, but I also realize where taxes go and what they do. My gas taxes when I fill up go for roads—I appreciate this because I hate driving on crappy roads in the BMW. All taxes have different flavors, but they don’t all go to support the same thing in a general pool---huge difference between local, state, federal and what they provide. Moreover, I’m not upset about having healthcare—I’ve actually got fantastic healthcare. My entire point is: shouldn’t I, and others, have the “right” to choose what is best for me? If in fact I do need healthcare and I am uninsured, I pay, but as a consumer I assume the risks. Skyrocketing healthcare costs will not solved by throwing more money at the problem. Again, like I mentioned earlier, something needs to be done about healthcare, but not giving people an option is not the solution.

[S3RI35]

Congrats to him and his team. Time to move forward.

[bnekic]

Originally Posted by S3RI35

Congrats to him and his team. Time to move forward.

[persian54]

Originally Posted by Sara504

I agree with this 100% It should be time sensitive. Like our warrantys. Only eligible for a certain length of time and one time only.

Welfare good for 4 years or $50,000; whichever comes first!

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Dow is up over 80%..

While your other points have merit, I disagree with this one if you think it was the President who had any large influence on it.

Originally Posted by Maestro

I have been saying this for a long time and I told my son this, If the degree does not show up in a job description he is not going to study it. School should not be allow to offer a degree unless lots of companies require that skill. I told my son he is either going to get a business degree or engineer, those degrees will get you a job. Lots of Jobs require either of these backgrounds.

While I do agree with you, I know plenty of people who graduated from top tier schools (UCLA, UCB, USC, to name a few) with degrees in mechanical engineering, business (marketing, management), and a few other respected degrees and they're having difficulties finding jobs in their field. They've found jobs, but the highest paying from those group of friends is a measly $40k, and it's not even in their field.



My degree from my university will always be useless, but I got it just to GTFO. Not being arrogant, but I know my personality: I can never work for someone else, so my degree and resume are meaningless to me, no matter how impressive or unimpressive they may be.
There is money to be made in this world, but sometimes, the harder you work... the less you get... makes you feel quite unmotivated. Last month, I had the roar of my M3 to help keep me sane..all I have now is the torque and exhaust blips from my Z4.

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Yes, really. You're upset about the prospect of having healthcare? Taxes also pay for those pesky roads and schools. If you don't have children or a car do you write to the mayor of your city and tell him you want that tax money back because you want to excercise the right to not send your children to public school? There is a real problem with skyrocketing healthcare in this country and when something does go wrong and you're not covered, you would rather die in the street with a stack of medical bills than lose your "right" to refuse healthcare coverage?

I work in the medical field, but there are too many problems with the way it is set up. I am against Obamacare for these reasons:

Originally Posted by ZaraGSPBMW

Not the point I was making. You’re also confusing how taxes work. My property taxes go to support local schools—which I have no problem paying. I recognize taxes are necessary, but I also realize where taxes go and what they do. My gas taxes when I fill up go for roads—I appreciate this because I hate driving on crappy roads in the BMW. All taxes have different flavors, but they don’t all go to support the same thing in a general pool---huge difference between local, state, federal and what they provide. Moreover, I’m not upset about having healthcare—I’ve actually got fantastic healthcare. My entire point is: shouldn’t I, and others, have the “right” to choose what is best for me? If in fact I do need healthcare and I am uninsured, I pay, but as a consumer I assume the risks. Skyrocketing healthcare costs will not solved by throwing more money at the problem. Again, like I mentioned earlier, something needs to be done about healthcare, but not giving people an option is not the solution.

Especially the bold

I have my own healthcare, and if it wasn't for the emergency insurance it provided, I would cancel it as I do not feel it's necessary to have healthcare for any reason other than ER/hospital.

I rarely go see a physician or doctor. When I'm sick, I take the meds I need and I get better, no need to waste time/money seeing a doctor (both my time and his).

When I have an issue where I need MD assistance, I'll pay my copay or full price to see the doctor.

I hate knowing that I have to pay and i HAVE to go see a doctor...

A lot of Medi-cal is turning into HMOs, and HMOs are crap...... And I fear Obamacare isn't going to help as much as people think it will.

You don't need to be part of the 1% to feel it. If you make a "decent" income or if you're a business owner, it could hurt you more than help you.
If you start talking about human rights and the "right" to healthcare... then I have to disagree right there. I do not believe everyone has a right to anything when they are not the person who earned it. So you had 5 kids at age of 20 and your deadbeat boyfriend left you.... This sounds evil, but the world would be a better place if people like that didn't exist, since chances are high that her kid(s) will be like her, and the cycle continues.
I'm not as informed on the matter as I'd like to be, so I'll stop right here.


Btw, what was that movie where these 2 people were frozen for X years, and in the future, everyone was stupid? and these 2 happened to be the smartest people alive? I forgot what it was called.....Anyways, I can totally see that happening, though not in any of our lifetimes..

[Templar]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Ask the student with 4 yr degrees and do not have a job what their degrees are in. You would be amazed what students and parents are willing to pay top dollars for. These people deserve not to work, they got degree in things that companies do not hire people for knowing 4 more years of learning.

I have been saying this for a long time and I told my son this, If the degree does not show up in a job description he is not going to study it. School should not be allow to offer a degree unless lots of companies require that skill. I told my son he is either going to get a business degree or engineer, those degrees will get you a job. Lots of Jobs require either of these backgrounds.

I got a friend who is allowing one kid to get an English degree and his other kid a Spanish degree, and now he is wondering what kind of jobs they will get. Those two will be part of the 50% who can not find a job. If they do find something it will not pay well and it will not require what they learned in the 4 yr degree.

It is not the government's or anyone in government fault we have idiots choosing degrees that no one will hire them to do for them full time.

Your post made this meme come to mind for me:

[R Grubba Balls]

Originally Posted by BKsBimmer

The real divide in this country is not the racial or class politics you see above. It's the outdated attitudes and a refusal to accept change you see represented in this kind of post.

you nailed it dude. china has the 2nd largest gdp in the world, and the eu's gdp is at america's level. while america still has the most powerful military (on paper), enough nations can cause enough damage (i.e. russia, england etc) where it's beginning to be a moot point.

what we have is an aging post-ww2 white ruling class that believes america is the world's cop just because it's america. that sense of entitlement that reaches out to "help" but fails to include.

the table's getting bigger, and frankly, i like it. my family's been through a revolution: never fully trust 1 state.

[ZaraGSPBMW]

Originally Posted by persian54

Btw, what was that movie where these 2 people were frozen for X years, and in the future, everyone was stupid? and these 2 happened to be the smartest people alive? I forgot what it was called.....Anyways, I can totally see that happening, though not in any of our lifetimes..

"Idiocracy" with Maya Rudolph and Luke Wilson. Great flick.

[persian54]

Originally Posted by ZaraGSPBMW

"Idiocracy" with Maya Rudolph and Luke Wilson. Great flick.

Yes!

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by persian54

While your other points have merit, I disagree with this one if you think it was the President who had any large influence on it.

I don't think he has any material influence on it but it would surely be thrown in his face if that was -80%. My point was that he said the economy is in the shitter and it ain't.

[persian54]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I don't think he has any material influence on it but it would surely be thrown in his face if that was -80%.

I'm pretty sure it would be thrown in all of our faces......

[RussRamz]

Originally Posted by bnekic

Congratulations Obama on another 4 years!

Four more years of what?

[bnekic]

Four more years of what?

Of being president.

[sali]

http://static6.businessinsider.com/i...dec-7-2011.jpg

Current employment could have been around 7% except a lot of government employees got canned in the last 2 years

(St. Louis Federal Reserve)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=7yD
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/public-private.png (govt jobs increased under Bush vs decrease under Obama)

Since Obama started his term in a mini depression environment and high debt base number, percentage increase in debt under Obama is 41% vs 89% for Bush. Reagan increased national debt by 188%.

http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm

Overall Stock market
Bush = -3.5% Annualized Returns / -43% (S&P 500 Total Returns - google finance)
Obama = + 20.6% Annualized Returns / +66% (S&P 500 Total Returns)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_1...bush-vs-obama/

Not to mention under Bush, the +$1.0 trillion cost of Iraq war and 4000 US troops dead along with +100,000 Iraqi civilians.
And thanks to this invasion, now Iraqi's are helping Iranians skirt the sanctions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp

[bumere90]