HARTGE N20 F30 28i Engine Software Tune Yields +45 HP / +48 TQ for F30, F10, F25, E89 - Page 2 - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32)

AJG1137 · 06-28-2012, 07:51 PM

Burger Motorsports has a beta piggy back tune for the f30 328i. It's under $400 and offers comparable gains. Plus, their customer service and transparent testing and development are excellent. In my opinion, this is a better value.

DimSum · 06-28-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AJG1137

Burger Motorsports has a beta piggy back tune for the f30 328i. It's under $400 and offers comparable gains. Plus, their customer service and transparent testing and development are excellent. In my opinion, this is a better value.

I think twice with BMS stuff, had it for my N52. Started to get weird engine lights and my cat sensors went cause the PBX was running too rich.

Piggyback's suck.

But if something from Hartage or Kellener I would trust.

AJG1137 · 06-28-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DimSum

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Originally Posted by AJG1137

Burger Motorsports has a beta piggy back tune for the f30 328i. It's under $400 and offers comparable gains. Plus, their customer service and transparent testing and development are excellent. In my opinion, this is a better value.

I think twice with BMS stuff, had it for my N52. Started to get weird engine lights and my cat sensors went cause the PBX was running too rich.

Piggyback's suck.

But if something from Hartage or Kellener I would trust.

N52 is a little different. Not turbo.
I've had a BMS tune on my n55 for over a year now and have not had a single issue.
If issues were present to the extent that we should be thinking twice, I think the thousands of jb users would have made it clear.

sage149 · 06-28-2012, 09:30 PM

You buy a 328I. It has the same mpg figures as a 335I. You buy this piggyback ECU and make the 328I have similar HP and TQ as a 335I for $1600 plus install. WHY???? Why the headache of dealing with possible warranty issues? For an extra $1600 when you bought the 328I you could have had a 335I and saved yourself the trouble. I am not getting the point of this IMHO......

positiveions · 06-28-2012, 10:51 PM

number are promising. just the fact it's $1600!!! wow.

caneswarning · 06-28-2012, 11:08 PM

It is a piggyback. Why are you worried about what your dealer says. If something goes bad is your dealer going to come to your house and see the piggyback sitting in your garage and say "Ah this was on your car when it broke therefore we are not going to honor the warranty."

formula M · 06-28-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by caneswarning

It is a piggyback. Why are you worried about what your dealer says. If something goes bad is your dealer going to come to your house and see the piggyback sitting in your garage and say "Ah this was on your car when it broke therefore we are not going to honor the warranty."

I am sure he is not "worried", but has higher morals standards & just wanted further advice.

Coincidentally, doing as you suggest^ shows no honor, no self respect and is down right posing... as posers just want cheap thrills and want other to be responsible for it.

DimSum · 06-29-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AJG1137

N52 is a little different. Not turbo.
I've had a BMS tune on my n55 for over a year now and have not had a single issue.
If issues were present to the extent that we should be thinking twice, I think the thousands of jb users would have made it clear.

I've seen enough cars using the BMS tune throw many significant errors and shadow codes that quite possibly be trouble-sum on your end to claim warranty if BMW were to see it. Just because your engine light doesn't come on, it doesn't mean that the car isn't logging some data that can indicate a tune/piggy.

DoD74 · 06-29-2012, 10:33 AM

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I am not part of any vender offering any kind of modification but my concern is about the warranty issues any one can face by installing a piggy back and end up with warrenty issues .

I agree. For that price point one is better off waiting for the Dinan unit and letting the BMW center install it. That way it is worry free and you kepe the warranty intact.

Mav555 · 06-29-2012, 10:35 AM

Anyone notice the different launch methods used on the stock and Modded runs?
-Stock run: dead stop in drive start
-Hartage run: neutral, rev, then drive start. Is this sort of equivalent to torque braking starts? Seems like the transmission is engaging at higher revs from start giving it a jump.

Just wondering if this could explain some of that huge difference we see. A bit more than I was expecting in the 0-100.

joker69289 · 06-29-2012, 11:11 AM

Waiting for ac-schnitzerto come out with one.

Mahzari · 06-29-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mav555

Anyone notice the different launch methods used on the stock and Modded runs?
-Stock run: dead stop in drive start
-Hartage run: neutral, rev, then drive start. Is this sort of equivalent to torque braking starts? Seems like the transmission is engaging at higher revs from start giving it a jump.

Just wondering if this could explain some of that huge difference we see. A bit more than I was expecting in the 0-100.

Noticed it too. A 4-second difference in 0-100mph is unreal; BMS only claims 2 seconds off the time with their tune.

Raja Ventureshield · 06-29-2012, 11:28 AM

this is sweet. 1600$ is fair price imho. As soon as i can order a hardtop convertible, my wife is getting one and I am chipping it with Hartge.de sweetness. Stop crying about 1600$ when i see guys spending 7-8k on wheels. lol.

DimSum · 06-29-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Raja Ventureshield

this is sweet. 1600$ is fair price imho. As soon as i can order a hardtop convertible, my wife is getting one and I am chipping it with Hartge.de sweetness. Stop crying about 1600$ when i see guys spending 7-8k on wheels. lol.

wrong, most of the guys crying about 1600$ for a tune are running replica wheels.

Raja Ventureshield · 06-29-2012, 07:43 PM

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wrong, most of the guys crying about 1600$ for a tune are running replica wheels.

my bad. you got me. lol. replica wheels.

seriously in all wellness, R&D isn't free.

rconti · 06-30-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sage149

You buy a 328I. It has the same mpg figures as a 335I. You buy this piggyback ECU and make the 328I have similar HP and TQ as a 335I for $1600 plus install. WHY???? Why the headache of dealing with possible warranty issues? For an extra $1600 when you bought the 328I you could have had a 335I and saved yourself the trouble. I am not getting the point of this IMHO......

No, the 328 does not have the same MPG figures as the 335, and it weighs less too.

You're not wrong to question the value proposition here; when you factor in packages and such, the 335 is not THAT much more expensive than the 328. However, it's not really an apples to apples comparison, as the 328 gets better mileage and is STILL cheaper, and the N20 is definitely a gem of an engine. Plus, there will likely be models that you can't obtain in 335 guise *cough, touring, cough*.

Gel214th · 06-30-2012, 07:35 PM

One has to remember that there are other countries outside the US where duties are charged based on engine size.

In those countries you can pay 100% of the cost of the car extra in duties, vat, freight and markup for a car with an engine size over a 2.0.

A 1M in the Caribbean, for example, costs almost USD$150,000 .

So to purchase the 328i and have a performance boost mod would be extremely attractive.

e46e92love · 07-01-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by formula M

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Originally Posted by caneswarning

It is a piggyback. Why are you worried about what your dealer says. If something goes bad is your dealer going to come to your house and see the piggyback sitting in your garage and say "Ah this was on your car when it broke therefore we are not going to honor the warranty."

I am sure he is not "worried", but has higher morals standards & just wanted further advice.

Coincidentally, doing as you suggest^ shows no honor, no self respect and is down right posing... as posers just want cheap thrills and want other to be responsible for it.

Every now and again someone gets it's, you sir, get it.

Thank you.

Cheers,
e46e92

DimSum · 07-01-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Raja Ventureshield

my bad. you got me. lol. replica wheels.

seriously in all wellness, R&D isn't free.

I agree.

Teemo Panda · 07-02-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rconti

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Originally Posted by sage149

You buy a 328I. It has the same mpg figures as a 335I. You buy this piggyback ECU and make the 328I have similar HP and TQ as a 335I for $1600 plus install. WHY???? Why the headache of dealing with possible warranty issues? For an extra $1600 when you bought the 328I you could have had a 335I and saved yourself the trouble. I am not getting the point of this IMHO......

No, the 328 does not have the same MPG figures as the 335, and it weighs less too.

You're not wrong to question the value proposition here; when you factor in packages and such, the 335 is not THAT much more expensive than the 328. However, it's not really an apples to apples comparison, as the 328 gets better mileage and is STILL cheaper, and the N20 is definitely a gem of an engine. Plus, there will likely be models that you can't obtain in 335 guise *cough, touring, cough*.

What he said!

kotik · 07-02-2012, 05:39 AM

ummm.... yeaaaaa, so they lost 4 second with 50hp, ha ha ha, ROFL, that is hillarious. I am willing to bet that the road conditions are different (i.e. incline / decline).

Never the less, the N20 is an amazing engine. My GF has the new 328 with sport package, and I had a chance to break it in on the abahn! It drives really well. From previous comparo notes, the 335 has advantage only above 100mph, and even then it's not that big of a difference (difference between m3 and 335 is a lot greater at those speeds).

David328M-Sport · 07-02-2012, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DimSum

I think twice with BMS stuff, had it for my N52. Started to get weird engine lights and my cat sensors went cause the PBX was running too rich. Piggyback's suck.

Are you sure it was installed correctly?
Had mine installed in my 325i since Nov '09. Hasn't missed a beat. Perfect for my car. Love the piggyback system from BMS.

06-28-2012, 09:30 PM	#26
sage149 Registered Drives: 2013 335I Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2 iTrader: (0)	What's The Point You buy a 328I. It has the same mpg figures as a 335I. You buy this piggyback ECU and make the 328I have similar HP and TQ as a 335I for $1600 plus install. WHY???? Why the headache of dealing with possible warranty issues? For an extra $1600 when you bought the 328I you could have had a 335I and saved yourself the trouble. I am not getting the point of this IMHO......

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positiveions Major General Drives: 09 MKV JETTA 2.5 & E90 M3 :) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Verne, CA Posts: 8,841 iTrader: (1)	number are promising. just the fact it's $1600!!! wow. __________________

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AJG1137 Member Drives: 2011 335i xDrive Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bloomfield Hills, MI Posts: 67 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 335i xDrive [0.00]	Burger Motorsports has a beta piggy back tune for the f30 328i. It's under $400 and offers comparable gains. Plus, their customer service and transparent testing and development are excellent. In my opinion, this is a better value.

06-28-2012, 11:08 PM	#28
caneswarning New Member Drives: 2010 328 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 7 iTrader: (0)	It is a piggyback. Why are you worried about what your dealer says. If something goes bad is your dealer going to come to your house and see the piggyback sitting in your garage and say "Ah this was on your car when it broke therefore we are not going to honor the warranty."

06-29-2012, 10:35 AM	#32
Mav555 New Member Drives: Mineral White F30 328i Join Date: May 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 25 iTrader: (0)	Anyone notice the different launch methods used on the stock and Modded runs? -Stock run: dead stop in drive start -Hartage run: neutral, rev, then drive start. Is this sort of equivalent to torque braking starts? Seems like the transmission is engaging at higher revs from start giving it a jump. Just wondering if this could explain some of that huge difference we see. A bit more than I was expecting in the 0-100.

06-29-2012, 11:11 AM	#33
joker69289 New Member Drives: F30 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: germany Posts: 12 iTrader: (0)	Waiting for ac-schnitzerto come out with one.

06-29-2012, 11:28 AM	#35
Raja Ventureshield Brigadier General Drives: BMW M3 coupe Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,551 iTrader: (6)	this is sweet. 1600$ is fair price imho. As soon as i can order a hardtop convertible, my wife is getting one and I am chipping it with Hartge.de sweetness. Stop crying about 1600$ when i see guys spending 7-8k on wheels. lol.

06-30-2012, 07:35 PM	#39
Gel214th Private Drives: Melbourne Red BMW 328i sport Join Date: May 2008 Location: Trinidad Posts: 53 iTrader: (0)	One has to remember that there are other countries outside the US where duties are charged based on engine size. In those countries you can pay 100% of the cost of the car extra in duties, vat, freight and markup for a car with an engine size over a 2.0. A 1M in the Caribbean, for example, costs almost USD$150,000 . So to purchase the 328i and have a performance boost mod would be extremely attractive.

07-02-2012, 05:39 AM	#43
kotik Lieutenant Drives: e90 M3 ESS 575 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 478 iTrader: (0)	ummm.... yeaaaaa, so they lost 4 second with 50hp, ha ha ha, ROFL, that is hillarious. I am willing to bet that the road conditions are different (i.e. incline / decline). Never the less, the N20 is an amazing engine. My GF has the new 328 with sport package, and I had a chance to break it in on the abahn! It drives really well. From previous comparo notes, the 335 has advantage only above 100mph, and even then it's not that big of a difference (difference between m3 and 335 is a lot greater at those speeds).