[RASHID007]

Why have we not seen either amateur or professional video reviews comparing the 335i to the 328i in straight line speed? Or track lap times. I'm assuming it's too early and nobody has been able to get them together yet and do a 0-60 or 0-120mph race?

Of course we expect the 335i to be faster but it would be nice to see the comparison of the two F30's.

If you have any such videos or links to them please post here for all to enjoy/comment.

Thanks.

[Elk]

Perhaps because they are lousy drag cars and not performance track cars, but rather sporty luxury sedans?

[bosz]

Not exactly what you asked for but still:

[bcl0328]

328i does 14.1 1/4
335i does 13.8 1/4

[TrueBlue12]

Since the 328 has a theoretical handling advantage i'd be interested in seeing how the two compare on the track.

[ric124]

Originally Posted by TrueBlue12

Since the 328 has a theoretical handling advantage i'd be interested in seeing how the two compare on the track.

I still think the 335 will win. Who is taking bets?

[bcl0328]

Originally Posted by ric124

I still think the 335 will win. Who is taking bets?

depends how much better handling. i saw a video of a BMW beat a car with more hp because of the better handling.

[RASHID007]

That's what I mean. I'd love to see a magazine do track time comparison same driver. And 0-60 and 0-120 side by side.

[jtuds]

Originally Posted by Elk

Perhaps because they are lousy drag cars and not performance track cars, but rather sporty luxury sedans?

So then why were 0-60 times and track performance the first thing we heard about when the initial reviews were coming in throughout the winter?

Remember all the talk about how the 328 was just a second or two slower around Laguna Seca and how it gets out of the corners quicker than the 335? Obviously somebody was timing and reported the results for a reason.

[KneeDragr]

Im not trying to offend anyone, but I personally am a bit surprised and disappointed in the small performance difference between these two cars, considering what a beast the original 335i N54 was compared to the E90 328i. It seems as though they spend all their effort making the 4cyl motor, which shows - its extremely impressive in power, flexibility and efficiency. If they put that same effort into the 335 motor it should have been making more power than the N54.

[TEAShea]

It is pretty clear that the BMW marketers are concerned about this issue. They want there to be substantial gap between the two cars. That seems to be why they have under-rated the power and torque of the 328i, which according to the three dyno runs generally reported (including one by Turner), has about 270 hips and 300 torques. This is also interesting in light of the N55 engine being down on power compared to the N54 engine. The N55 does meet its rated power but the N54 exceeded it significantly.

Tom

[MarkY]

If one must have a 335, this discussion might be a good reason to wait a model year or two for BMW to address the N55 engine. While the gap is small between the 328 and 335, I'd expect Audi and MB to exceed the N55 performance soon (if they don't already). With the F30 so early in its production, the 335 can't possibly stick with this output for the duration.

[Maz335i]

Originally Posted by MarkY

If one must have a 335, this discussion might be a good reason to wait a model year or two for BMW to address the N55 engine. While the gap is small between the 328 and 335, I'd expect Audi and MB to exceed the N55 performance soon (if they don't already). With the F30 so early in its production, the 335 can't possibly stick with this output for the duration.

Very good point!

It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next few months down the line as we see the 2013 model and the M Sport package coming out...

[jtuds]

Originally Posted by MarkY

If one must have a 335, this discussion might be a good reason to wait a model year or two for BMW to address the N55 engine. While the gap is small between the 328 and 335, I'd expect Audi and MB to exceed the N55 performance soon (if they don't already). With the F30 so early in its production, the 335 can't possibly stick with this output for the duration.

Mercedes already exceeeds it but only Audi's S line outperforms BMW in the same segment....and they're more expensive.

I've spent a decent amount of time in both the 335 and the 328 and I have to say that even though the numbers are similar, the way the power delivery feels in a 335 is more significant than what the numbers say.

It feels punchier, faster, more powerful. And not just by 30hp.

I assume, though, that for people who are gogin to drive on a track, you will probably get a similar sensation when cornering....in other words, I would expect a discernible difference when driving a 328 around the same bend at the same speed as a 335.

[ric124]

I just built an S4 with a similar setup as my order and it ended up being $2000 more. Yes sounds pretty much the same but you have to factor that service is not included. Oh I did not see a HUD option either.

Anyway lets stay on topic 328i vs 335i

[KneeDragr]

Personally I would rather have an S4 than a 335i, but the 328i has a big edge in my book over the A4.

[bosz]

Originally Posted by jtuds

Mercedes already exceeeds it but only Audi's S line outperforms BMW in the same segment....and they're more expensive.

I've spent a decent amount of time in both the 335 and the 328 and I have to say that even though the numbers are similar, the way the power delivery feels in a 335 is more significant than what the numbers say.

It feels punchier, faster, more powerful. And not just by 30hp.

I assume, though, that for people who are gogin to drive on a track, you will probably get a similar sensation when cornering....in other words, I would expect a discernible difference when driving a 328 around the same bend at the same speed as a 335.

Very true. I test drove a 328 sport and 335 sport bk to bk.. The power delivery in the 35 is just crazy. You really feel getting pushed into your seat wheras the 328 was pretty good too but did not have that "oomph" lol specially with the grinding noise from the hood.

The simple solution to This narrow power gap is to get dinan stage 2 on the N55 whcih bring its up to 365 hp and 400 lb torque.

[335R1]

Give it time before the JB comes out. Just a little time.

[jtuds]

Originally Posted by bosz

Very true. I test drove a 328 sport and 335 sport bk to bk.. The power delivery in the 35 is just crazy. You really feel getting pushed into your seat wheras the 328 was pretty good too but did not have that "oomph"
.

Yup. This is the most noticeable difference I picked up on.

[Elk]

Originally Posted by jtuds

So then why were 0-60 times and track performance the first thing we heard about when the initial reviews were coming in throughout the winter?

Actually, the first things I saw reported was concerns over/criticisms of the electric steering, the Lines approach, the styling changes, etc.

I do not dispute that many BMW buyers think they are buying sports cars.

[RASHID007]

Does anyone have the HP and torque curves of the 335i overlaid on the 328i same dyno same day?

[KR335]

Originally Posted by KneeDragr

Im not trying to offend anyone, but I personally am a bit surprised and disappointed in the small performance difference between these two cars, considering what a beast the original 335i N54 was compared to the E90 328i. It seems as though they spend all their effort making the 4cyl motor, which shows - its extremely impressive in power, flexibility and efficiency. If they put that same effort into the 335 motor it should have been making more power than the N54.

I don't think they're quite as close (in a straight line at least) as people think. Motor Trend has tested both a 328 and 335, both with 8sp autos, which is as close to an apples-to-apples comparison I've seen. The 328 ran 5.6 to 60 and a 14.2 quarter. The 335 ran 4.7 to 60 and a 13.3 quarter. A 0.9sec difference in that 1/4 mile race would equal about nine car lengths. I don't think too many people would consider that close. I'm curious to see them run side by side to see if the result is similar.